Because we certainly lost the Forsaken…
Protect the living…sigh…we are truly rudderless.
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“You are a soldier of the mighty Horde, a diverse band of races from across Azeroth who fight for freedom and honor.”
Maybe I’m reading too much into this, but the direction seems to still be militant (hence calling us ‘soldier’) and the focus is on diversity, as well as freedom and honour.
What those last two mean, we can only guess. I think the Horde will always be the faction that looks to their own first. They may be karma houdinis, but the Horde cares for their own freedom to ever shackle themselves to the Alliance in a meaningful way.
Basically, the Horde will always be the “Do what we want” faction, but Blizz is just focusing on that ‘what we want’ as being more for the betterment of the world.
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You can protect the loveable horde children by horrifically murdering the evil night elves and goats who would threaten their homes.
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You’re becoming Diet-Alliance so you’re easier to write. Think Blizzard needs to do a little restructuring of their writing staff.
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I’m not sure how being vaguely good and no longer trying to murder across Kalimdor is ‘diet Alliance’.
The Alliance doesn’t, or shouldn’t, have the monopoly on being heroic.
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That… Is such a bland line. I mean, replace Horde for Alliance and it works equally well. It tells you nothing of what differentiates the two factions.
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Yes, the Horde is dead. Thrall has become milquetoast, Baine is a Quisling, and the Forsaken have started Tirelessly Striving to Protect the Living (which is my new favorite phrase).
Interesting and unique characters like Nathanos and Gallywix have been driven out, Vol’jin is dead, Cairne is dead, the Horde tribalism aesthetic is dead.
It’s dead Jim, call it.
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It feels a few steps away from being the introductory description of G.I. Joe or Captain Planet. Or maybe the 1970’s Superfriends.
Are they really trying to replace “Blood and Honor” with “Freedom and Honor”? I really can’t tell if that’s just happenstance with the quote and the phrase, or if that’s actually going to be a thing now.
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The Blood Elves have lost thier spine due to our Regent Lord Lor’themar and rigjt now the horde is a headless chook.
Im still hoping that we just meet Sylvanas in Shadowlands and she has new plans for us all.
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I don’t know if the Horde the way people envision it ever really existed sometimes.
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Probably not. At least not the way it existed in WC3. A lot of the Horde narrative and history of Warcraft was driven by Chris Metzen’s real life experiences over time. Thrall’s Horde was always a mythology.
That does not in any way excuse the current writing team though. They have plenty to work with here. Gameplay is not an excuse. They should be able to make this work for an IP like Warcraft, and if they cannot …well…then…
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Basically every thing in this video is what I want the Horde to be… but I don’t think it was ever actually implemented, only vaguely referenced in WC3 and a little of Classic.
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Source for this?
Assuming you are asking in good faith and not trolling, there is an extended podcast interview on Soundcloud with Chris with Scott Johnson that goes into great detail about his time at Blizzard. Just google it.
But if you really don’t know you should look into Chris Metzen and his relationship with Blizzard. Almost everything about WoW lore (and Blizzard’s other IPs) comes from Chris and most of it was driven by his experiences over time because he was such a beast that they let him run free for the most part.
All this says to me is that people’s obsession for ‘dark and edgy’ narrative themes has made them completely unable to see anything that is even the slightest bit back the other way as not ‘milquetoast’.
The Horde isn’t dead, and being good guys does not make the Horde ‘Alliance lite’. Were they ‘Alliance lite’ in Vanilla, BC, or Wrath? You can have them be not warmongering and still be ruthless.
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How are Baine, Modern Thrall, Lor’Themar, Voss, Gazlowe and Mayla ruthless? They are not. They are all Anduin clones.
If Blizzard has any of these character disagree with Anduin on any topic in Shadowlands I will eat my shirt.
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Why would I troll about information found in a podcast? Not exactly common knowledge.
Chris Metzen being the mac Daddy progenitor of all Warcraft lore is not exactly a secret either /shrug
Could be they don’t interact at all? Modern Thrall went to help Saurfang and the Horde, not Anduin, for one, and the ruthlessness can easily apply to other enemy groups.
Saurfang the Younger charged into battle to help Bolvar, and even exchanged repartee with him. Are you telling me the wolf riders charging into battle to help the Alliance, to the sound of warhorns and them shouting as one ‘For the Horde’ after a blood and glory speech, isn’t Horde?
Are you telling me Gan’ar running to fight the Iron Horde alone, and roaring Lok’tar to the sky as the clan shaman brings down the pass isn’t pure Horde?
Tehd Shoemaker works with a night elf, and he’s the most Forsaken Forsaken that ever Forsaken’d, in addition to being best Warlock.
The factions don’t need to be at odds to be distinct, nor morally opposed to each other.
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But to say it’s based on his life experience and not, “me and the boys got drunk and thought about orcs “ is a big tonal difference.
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