Hi everyone, somewhat newer Warrior enjoyer who wants to dip my toes into warrior tanking. With almost every class and spec ive played, including blood, bear, and BrM, I’m highly used to always having a button to press. My assumption is that Devastate is that filler spell for GCD, but the talent takes that away and I don’t exactly enjoy how it feels to be missing that.
So my question is, while I understand that it is probably the superior choice, is it so much stronger that it’s absolutely trolling your group not to take it? Is it that much weaker to go without it?
Spamming fillers? What do you even consider as a filler on BrM? And don’t tell me you spam swipe on bear…
Devastate without the Devastator talent does nothing besides damage. Getting the 20% chance to rest the CD on shield slam, which generates rage, is much more useful. And since Shield Block crits increase the damage on your shield slam, again, taking the 20% reset for shield slam from Devastator is more with it.
That isn’t even true. Devastate has a 30% chance to reset the cool down on Shield Slam, which is identified on the Shield Slam ability. Devastator drops that to 20%, albeit through auto attacks.
Would appreciate an actual warrior player responding and not someone who clearly doesn’t even know the basics of the spec.
First of all there’s no need to be rude.
Second of all Prot Warrior has a high APM and more important globals to use to try and regenerate rage (Thunderclap, Shield Slam, Free Revenge that can reset Shield Slam). You’d be shooting yourself in the foot from a gameplay perspective, just because its one less thing to juggle, while also smoothing out your rage.
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Hey, I appreciate the response. I’ll admit my reply to the other user was a bit defensive because I interpreted their response as pretty rude itself while being matter of fact about something that wasn’t even correct.
So basically it sounds like when played right, a prot warrior has plenty of buttons to push already without adding Devastate into the mix. Maybe I just need more practice and to get used to the feeling.
You don’t need the talent but you will be weaker without it. Pwarr has enough to do to not need the button.
This. It’s been so long I forgot Devastate was even a thing until now and I rarely feel like I have enough downtown to wish I had another button to press…
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Whenever I start a new Prot Warrior (different servers generally), I’m always like "Oh yeah, I have to use Devastate for a few levels. So used to it not being a button anymore. Once the block chance starts pumping up, there are times you barely have enough time between spamming Revenge/Shield Slam/Revenge/Shield Slam back and forth constantly.
The Ret Pally update was similar for me in smoothing out buttons. I rolled Crusading Strikes into my auto-attack and Consecration into Blade of Justice and the rotation felt SO much better. Makes me happy that when I lookup optimal builds I see versions with CStrike as the 2 button ability or the auto-attack variant, meaning they’re both viable.
It’s a must-pick. The button you are pressing the most is shield slam every time it gets a cd refresh. There are very few moments in time where you actually can’t press anything but devastate. You get way more shield slam resets from your 30% chances on GCD abilities and 20% chances on every auto-attack happening concurrently, not consecutively. Without it, you are only having a 30% reset chance per GCD.
My main is a warrior, you’re going to run into an issue with rotation. I’m already top of the meters on APM and if you pull consistently decent size packs you’ll be swimming in rage. We have a lot more impactful buttons to be pressing besides that this.
The 4 piece is also wonky because it’s not 100% uptime. So while an extra extra 10% to proc Shield Slam seems nice, it’s not that great most of the run. I’m using like 8-11 last stands during my runs, so you’re talking just minutes of a 20-25 min run having the set bonus active?
I’d rather be dropping those globals into revenge or thunderclap for threat or resource gen.
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With shield slam resetting frequently and it being your top priority (dmg and dage generation) you already have something to press almost every GCD.
By not taking devestator you basically GCD lock yourself like a dps player.
This means anytime shield slam and thunderclap are on CD and you don’t press devestate you lose shield slam resets, rage (= more damage or damage reduction) etc.
It’s a silly playstyle for a tank really but you can definitely play it.
Hope that helps.
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Hey, it does help. Ive actually been practicing tanking more and now take the devastator talent. You are right i don’t have time to press it anyway.
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With correct gear and haste you’ll be GCD locked like 98% of the time, you’re going to lose damage by not letting devastator auto attack for you.
Trust me, just get enough gear and specced correctly and the last thing you’ll want to worry about is a filler spell.
When I first took Devastator, I hated not having at least one spammable ability to keep me “busy”. After a few more levels and talents got put in though, I get so many Shield Slam, Revenge, etc. procs that I almost never have down time. So yeah, I say take Devastator, even if you do feel the need to have something off cooldown at all times. It sort of fixes itself shortly and makes it worth the changes.
I imagine there’s some fringe scenarios in which it may be possible to not take it but in general you’ve just got so many more important buttons to be pressing that it’s really hard to pass on it.