Is Sylvanas Grieving?

I think we’ve seen the character Sylvanas go though all levels of denial and anger, but these pictures with the The Jailer I’ve seen… This reaching out to something we may not completely understand for more unconventional means of power seems a little like bargaining.

I’m wondering if we could see the last stages of grieving; depression and acceptance, are going to be somewhere. I don’t think anyone expects Sylvanas to start breaking down and crying about her situation but I’m reminded of a character from Undertale. Flowey the Flower and SPOILER ALERT for anyone that hasn’t played UNDERTALE.

There was a part in the genocide ending where the villain, Flowey, basically explains everything from his perspective on how he became not just what he is, but also why he thinks the way he does and how you’re character who has been killing everyone in your wake, is completely in support of what you are doing. The thing he realizes when you’re about to finish the game is that you’re not going to spare him either. He cries and begs for his life but he goes down just like all the rest.

There’s a lot of questions in my mind on what Sylvanas has been up to. Not only from BFA but a bunch of questions from Legion as well. And I don’t want to have to go through a novel or a badly Illustrated comic book.

I would think that the character must see some level of irony that she is doing the same thing that Garrosh did. That the adventurers of Azeroth are going to go from place to place completing quest, clearing instances, and will eventually go into a heavy defensed fortress where all of her commanders, allies, and minions are, until she is eventually cornered and defeated.

Sylvanas has been in the game since Vanilla, I’m pretty sure from a lore perspective she’s seen or heard about these things happening more then a few times and even been a apart of a few raids before. I’m thinking instead the mustache twirling, “You’ll never stop me become of my great power.”, I’ve come to expect from raid bosses.

I’m thinking there could be some level of depression where she does explain everything or even, like in the last level of suicide, where we can can actually see her smile. Because she knows she’s going to die, but not in a since like where she would be going to a place after death existence, (because that seems like what the Shadowlands is) but a true none existence of nothingness where she wouldn’t be reminded of the pain she caused.

This could be something really philosophical about the nature of knowledge, reality, and existence. Or this could be our journey into Beyond Good and Evil and Sylvanas can quote Nietzsche the while through our journey. Or we and Blizzard can go through the same motions that I just explained earlier.

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I don’t think Sylvanas has any of those sorts of emotion anymore. All she has is anger.

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Well I could be right and she could be the complex villain like Killmonger, the Joker, and Loki.

Or you could be right and she could be the mustache twirling villain leaving women on the train tracks.

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I’d love to shoot an arrow through Sylvanas’ head after the cries and begs for her life for sure.

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Given Blizzard’s writing lately? I’ll safely stay where I am.

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LOL. Maybe they could hire me to write there next book.

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What!? No.

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I guess that makes since. They’ve been building up this villain for the past three expansions and she been the main subject of almost every Blizzard cinematic. Why should you not want to finally plunge a sword or arrow into her pretty little skull.

Would be very satisfying to do it finally, but she will definitely not be going down anytime soon.

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Worse arthas

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Yes, but Garrosh already made that claim as well in War Crimes chapter 13 pg 139. But there reasons had a means to a end. The Legion.

With the Legion gone my only thought process could be that this is some sort of self destruction.

I’m grieving. Screw this storyline.
:sob:

I think she is, in her own way.

I don’t think she’s ever really had a chance to come to terms with who she is, and what happened to her.

She failed her people when they needed her the most, and part of her has to know that she’s not innocent in that: When Arthas was bypassing her defenses, she attacked him out of frustration instead of retreating and regrouping.

Then he killed her. And all of her people.

She’s still not over this. You turn in her necklace? That’s…that’s not what happens when someone’s over something.

What Arthas did to her was unconscionable, and she hasn’t had a chance to grieve that.

It’s easy to forget that this whole - sigh - thing with the Jailer and the all of that?

That happened after she committed suicide.

Still.

She’s a horrible person. She wasn’t exactly great before Arthas bodied her, what with “arrows in the quiver”, and life as a banshee hasn’t improved her disposition.

Blizzard, however, chose to ignore all of those pesky plot points that might give that character some boring “nuance” and nerdy “depth”. No, it’s much more engaging for her to just turn into some caricaturized screeching harpy who only wants everybody to die.

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Killmonger maybe, but neither the Joker or Loki are all that complex.

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How is that revolting? I mean i don’t agree i think shes just broken beyond help at this point and has been for a long time, but…

We have seen grief in wow, we have seen it take different forms… look at sigh Anduin after his father, and putting aside most things with Anduin are a little heavy handed… THAT was done pretty well, with him giving voice to his anger, to trying to be like his father, ect

Whether it is her obsessing over a locket that she denies caring about. Or changing her minds about killing her sisters, or her attitudes toward Nathanos, she is pretty consistently shown as having emotions. She tries to deny them, but she has them.

That said, Blizz retcons her so much, that is means nothing going forward. I also have doubts about this as a likely story that Blizz has for her.

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Banshees aren’t exactly known for being cold, calculating examples of undeath. They’re known for feeling sorrow and hate so intensely that they shriek at people to kill them, and she’s the Banshee Queen.

Irrational and over-the-top responses are kinda their thing.

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Bleh. Honestly, I wouldn’t. Reminds me of the High Chancellor’s death in the V for Vendetta movie.

At least die with some dignity, monster.

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Well this is the video that inspired me to write this thing and when I was looking into the colors of the Shadowlands. The reds, greens, blues and blacks I had to give this video a re-watch and was thinking, If Blizz took a little inspiration from this game then that’s good. If they haven’t then they should. The color scheme is almost already there.

But you know, I don’t see developers saying, “Shadowlands is about the five stages of grief, play it!”

If WoW were a game with nuance, then maybe Sylvanas is grieving. But this is the game that heavy-hands all its subject matter, bashes you over the skull with plot points, has characters intentionally act stupid so the plot can even happen, and has characters be mortal enemies then working hand in hand two years later, because massive slaughter is just easily forgiven.

Sylvanas should still be grieving her lost life. Should still be grieving the loss of purpose that Arthas dying to someone else’s hand would logically cause. But instead she’s allied with the Jailer for power. The most nuance we’ll see is if the writers decide her pact was made because she’s scared of the Maw.

The most subtle characterization we can realistically expect is that Sylvanas is just very selfish.

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