Is Retail Dead?

What can be asserted without evidence can also be dismissed without evidence.

I mean, I am waiting on your proof.

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I don’t mean to stir waters, but I humbly submit that the mere fact that there is a WoW Classic is testament to the concept that nothing is certain. I hope that any expansions to Classic don’t interfere with the Classic-player’s gameplay, and instead offer compartmentalized “TBC” servers, retaining Classic-only servers.

Please take a deep breath, calm down, maybe step away from the computer, then go back and read the entire string of conversation to see why you are not contributing to the conversation in good faith.

I believe most of the classic players are like me who took the trouble to have BFA in their account so hopefully this is the end of the wow thought for casual play.

Perhaps you should. I am sorry, but youve been given two examples now, have provided nothing of your own other than to say “nuh uh not what I want to hear” and then continue to claim that I am arguing in bad faith.

Like I said in my very first post, youre here to stir up drama with no intention of having an actual discussion.

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I am not here to stir up drama. You have given two examples that you think are adequate but do not hold up under scrutiny. I am done arguing against the false narrative you have constructed in your head.

Yes. Literally every professional sport.

People are still playing both, you goof. You don’t have to just play just one or the other.

Oh? You have some evidence to supply now that they are incorrect? Or is your “scrutiny” still saying you just dont like them?

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Views /= subs. There are some people watching multiple streamers at once. There are some streamers who don’t normally play WoW with large viewer base who may or may not decide to play after watching their fave streamer play.

Retail is fine. Many people, like myself, will be playing both.

Just another :popcorn: thread :slight_smile:

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Until next major patch or expansion, yes . My guess is given the popularity of classic, blizzard will roll with it. They will release either some kind of classic Next or BC to keep the money coming in and alternate it with retail expansions. So people will bounce back and forth but keep giving Blizzard that sub money

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I will play both. I just love WoW :slight_smile:

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I think it has been one day and people need to chill. Of course it was packed and highly watched. Wait a few months and see what happens. It’s been a day.

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The reason Classic had so many viewers on twitch was because they were all waiting in queue, like most of the people last night. What I’d be interested in finding out is how many of the people gave up after waiting a couple hours in queue, versus how many will actually play.

Did you log in to Classic? Did you get through the queue?

Yeah, it’s massively popular with people who love spending extra money and having linear story+progression.

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Ya good point I think it’ll be really interesting to see how many people won’t return because of the queues.

who cares .

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Yes, I logged in at 9:45 pm GMT and finally got in at 1:45 am. Wasn’t so bad for me but I had friends that waited 8-12 hours (some queued at launch and some a couple hours after. Based on their Twitter posts, it seemed to be random.)

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You waited 4 hours in queue which “Wasn’t so bad”. That’s some dedication there.

Was it worth it?

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Thats uh… a bold claim there. Got any proof that is what they like?

Linear story, I guess? I mean, there are plenty of different stories. If you claim each story is linear well… each story in classic is linear as well. So hooray?

Linear progression? What do you mean? WQ, Raids, M+ all provide progression. Are you bundling all of those together as a single progression? You could even put PvP in there too as its own progression path. Are we talking gear here? or just blanket “progression?”

If were talking gear, classic has pretty linear progression as well. You quest or craft to get gear, then run dungeons, then run raids.

Sounds linear to me. Sounds fun too. I am pretty hyped to get to play again tonight.