Is Retail Dead?

Retail isn’t dead - it’s just garbage that’s attracted a particular type of gamer in spades. That gamer wants to have nearly the best gear despite only running LFR, they want to be able to AFK through every piece of content, solo everything else or - if forced to group - have a LFG machine handle the social part and never have to speak to anyone.

All Classic’s success has proven is there’s clearly a hunger for the social MMO that WoW used to be. Since it’s in maintenance mode on release, however, that hunger won’t really be satiated fully - someone’s going to give the social MMO a shot again, whether it’s Blizzard or someone else.

I’m interested to see what 2020 brings.

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I literally sub’d just for Classic. Been on Private servers for years because of the direction the game went.

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Problem with retail is the never ending treadmill moves too fast so they over compensate the hamster by giving it more water instead of addressing the true problem.

Classic has a much slower treadmill finite even so that when you get something you can enjoy it for much longer and that gives you the feeling of fulfillment.

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Wat it literally has as many viewers just watching on twitch. You’re saying there are more people watching someone play than actually playing? Has that ever happened with any other game?

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Sub numbers maybe if you’re only counting NA retail but altogether its more like 5-5.5m

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Happens all the time. People are watching because well, its exciting. Its “new.”

Youre just trying to stir up drama for no reason.

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You’re are right I’m not counting the Chinese market. Thank you for an actual addition to the conversation.

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Until things quiet down and they focus on it again, yes.

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Oh you mean the weak auras tweet that Blizzard said was incorrect?

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There’s never been a game in the top 10 on twitch that has had more concurrent viewers than it does active players at any point what are you talking about?

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Are you SURE about that? Like, Really?

Happens every time there is a SGDQ/AGDQ.

Probably happened with Classic too, considering most people were in Q, or do you count that “playing”?

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We are 24 hours into this show. Way too early. Come back and see what it’s doing in a month.

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No kidding. #1 rule of these forums is don’t break the circle. Even reddit in general is better than here for dissenting opinions. Hence completely delusional threads like this

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Holy crap way to cherry pick literally the worst example you could. Next you’re going to cite “Just Dance” as an example. It’s obvious you are not arguing in good faith.

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Oh wait, I thought you said its never happened before though? No? Not exactly what you said?

Holy crap way to cherry pick literally the worst example you could. Next you’re going to cite “Just Dance” as an example. It’s obvious you are not arguing in good faith.

Oh wait, its exactly what you said.

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No, because there will only be a fraction of a fraction of players who stick with Classic.

200,000 subscribers is not enough to kill WoW retail :slight_smile:

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Oh wait, I thought you said its never happened before though? No? Not exactly what you said?

I am not going to continue arguing with you if you are not willing to have a real discussion in good faith. It’s too exhausting and it’s not worth it.

www twitchmetrics net/games/peak

Let me rephrase this:
“I dont want to argue because I am wrong and am salty about it”

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Agreed 100%. Max gear will stay max. Wont have relearn dungies every 6 months either. No interest in the gear game retail presents anymore.

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