That’s true. For some classes though I don’t think there’s a full epic set between the 3. I can’t recall, but I believe there were a few epics and several blue items for each class.
It still doesn’t compare to a tier geared or Marshall/warlord geared player.
No one could be more dungeon/raid averse than me. It just bores me, even when up against a significant pve puzzle. All the effort to set up what amounts to killing some computer generated algorithm is just not interesting to me. PVP whether open world or in BGs is where it’s at.
Most of my gear will be from pvp rewards. But I will look over my stuff and very selectively venture into dungeons with the hope of picking up a meaningful improvement here and there. Raids - never.
Not my experience.
For me, pvp contacts were made through pvp. You played with strangers in open world pvp, or by pugging Battlegrounds. You saw who was effective, who played toward objectives, and the others saw you and how you played. Soon, invites would show up to come join in a battleground - or you started throwing out invites yourself.
Yes gear matters. But at some point, when your gear reaches a level of basic value, your skills and commitment to the team play matters much more. Who needs a full T2 guy who thinks dueling in midfield is how to win?
PVP is a very different skill than PVP. PVP skills are learned through pvp, not raids or dungeon. A pvp’er uses her entire toolkit.
you don’t get necklace rings or a second trinket in pvp and a lot of pve items can be better than or equal to pvp gear and can be gotten sooner so ya id say so.
edit- the rep necklace and rings aren’t as good as the best pve ones.
Some very nice epic rings can be had with BG rep.
You don’t have to min/max for PVP. Damage meters don’t win the day - you need practice and situational awareness in organized pvp. It’s not about dueling.
Yes! Unless you are grouped with people who wipe alot and cost you more than you can make while killing for goodies. Time is also money, friend. So if you are spending many hours and dying on trash and not progressing, then find another group/guild and or stay in BGs.
Another note : due to progression format you will be able to raid before BGs are available. So 100% yes, raid. At least til BGs arrive.
I get that part but the best PVP gear in game comes from PVE so there was a natural tendency for the top PVE guilds to house a majority of the top PVP players. It also led to a lot of collusion between top guilds in order to determine rank 14 schedules.
I think it would be very hard to find a rank 14 on any server that wasn’t also clearing the latest PVE content.
I agree with your posts almost every time. This was my experience on a PvE Server. There where 2 very distinct groups that formed up eventually and it was a pretty organic process for us horde side at the time.
Had nothing to do with PvE/Raiding, we just did PvP and grouped from there.
Early on raiding isn’t necessary for pvp
Early on these are the 3 best things for PvP
Now when we get to AQ - NAXX… you will have the feeling you need some raid / r14 gear to compete with a small percentage of the pvp base.
The gear from it was, very much so.
Until they released PvP gear, and stats.