I’m a very rusty returning player not having really PvPed since 2015 WoD season 1. I played a bit of Legion and it was horrific, the Artifacts and the pruning making it unplayable. Is there something I’m doing wrong maybe? Went Venthyr. Only 155 ILVL. I feel a bit weak and pathetic at times, just queueing skirms. I guess I just need more time to judge the timings and waves of damage from certain classes/comps and preemptively plan for that.
mw is easily the worst healer right now and it isnt even a contest
the good ones can probably make it work but theyre gonna have a bad time trying
they have high hps but oom, have very little in terms of mitigation or actual cooldowns and don’t really have that much utility either
day before yesterday the mw i q with cocooned me and i saw it for .1 seconds into a dh/war, it was pretty much a power word shield haha
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probably be fine for rbgs but im not an rbg player so take that as you will
renewing mist + counteract magic and healing spheres are still really good into shadowpriest/afflic locks/eles/balance druids
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Long time no see, Merv 
And yeah they probs will have their usual spot in RBGs. You can definitely pump in there. I went Venthyr, too. Fallen Order really needs higher ranks to be useful tho.
Disc, Rdruid, Rsham are all pretty close for best healer, just depends on what comp they are running.
I wanted to play my MW so bad, but it’s actual garbo
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Cdew’s Tier List is:
Rsham #1, Disc #2, Holy Pal #3, Holy priest #4, Rdruid #5, and MW monk #6 for pvp. I’m 179 on my Rdruid and they’re trash. Riptide is a better heal than Lifebloom, Regrowth, and Rejuv combined.
Leveling my Shaman now because I don’t trust Blizzard to do anything.
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Rdruid below hpriest is a bold call. Even if this is the case though I think druid is way better than MW, which is the problem with rankings. Ranks 1-5 can be within 10% of each other while rank 6 is 30% worse.
Cdew has a lot of resto druid experience so I think it’s a safe bet unless he’s doing something wrong. I’m Glad to see he mentioned holy priest which is pretty solid right now
He’s certainly an experienced player, but there are many other experienced players putting rdruid in the top 3. Just saying take any one tier list with a grain of salt.
The only thing that almost everyone seems to agree on is that disc/rsham fill the top 2 spots in some order
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Disc usually gets nerfed if it’s strong. Too many tears coming from 2’s bracket
Well mwer at this point in time is for sure not T1, but I think it will have its niche still in melee cleaves that will probably still be R1 viable.
Again, its still really hard to tell how the meta is gonna be until that first month of the season is mostly over. They may not be that great right now but they’re also only a few buffs away from being really busted.
what would make them really busted, i could name all the negatives of being mwer right now but ill spare u unless you want a list
we dont need more healing, we need a better toolkit
Mana efficiency, other healers will probably get nerfed in one way or another, meta slows down a little, Expel harm could use a buff. They’ll be more than fine in melee cleaves if that happens.
I mean monks are already one of the hardest healers to CC or run at.
I do agree with you in needing a better toolkit to an extent. With removal of WotC and the legendary teachings of the ancient monastery getting absolutely gutted from its beta incarnation. The class is really missing its old school fistweaving style right now. Another defensive that isnt an NPC would be really nice too lol.
Im not necessary in disagreement with you monks were really neglected in SL compared to the love some other classes got, but that dosent mean they’ll end up being all that garbo either.
we are not one of the hardest to cc, probably one of the easiest tbh which is why we are forced to play max range all game. its just so boring i wanna be useful but every gcd is spent keeping someone alive in this meta
I disagree with this im not really sure how you’re arriving at that. With just port and well angled rolls around pillars thats like 3 stops alone, not counting things like incap to stop cc on ourselves and RoP.
Mwers are very good at getting in and out. Of course they cant stay out there like a rsham or rdruid. Just not how the class vibes.
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Monks are extremely easy to cc and if they are cc’d its very hard to recover.
I dont think so if you rotate AM, cocoon, and revival. Pre-fallen order a cc chain too and everyone should come out fine. Plus 25% lockout reduction from venthyr a little down the road.
harder to do this now with cancelroll no longer a thing. I don’t think they stand a chance against sub rogue teams atm
yea its still doable on a pretty consistent basis.
Also yea removing cancel roll was a terrible decision to make for the class. Just removes skill from the class, and makes the class 10x more clunky to play.
Like from a lore standpoint I feel like monks are pretty nimble, so makes sense they could stop on a dime.