So I run probably around 50-60 keys a week and I rarely see toxicity. Hell I finally saw toxicity for the first time in weeks! It was a 630 lock complaining about my tanking (618 alt) in a +8, which I laughed because he was blowing CDs while I was gathering then complained that I was on the stairs (had to leap down the stairs to get threat back). He ended up leaving before the last boss after the other pug asked if he was a DPS or support because the lock was doing less damage than the tank.
But back to my point. I rarely see toxicity as do any of my friends who also run 50+ keys a week. I think the issue isn’t the community, it’s people who complain about toxicity are frankly are causing the issues. They get mad and butthurt if a healer or tanks asks for help only interiors, CC or to use defensives.
I think if people stop being less bad and thinking it’s okay to grief mid level keys (10-12), people need to learn the basics in the game and held accountable for their actions.
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It’s not particularly toxic, no.
I think the toxicity issue is smaller than some act it is, and sometimes anything even remotely inconveniencing or negative is deemed toxic, which delegitimizes the criticisms when it actually happens. I will say it seems like it’s less of an issue than in previous expansions for me personally, in the past I’ve had people literally ruin a group over a minor mistake and legit make alts insulting my character with their name telling me to kms in dms or something vile like that. That’s real toxicity. Bad experiences suck, but they’re not all actually toxic, even the people who are elitist about ditching keys usually just make narrow minded general statements like ‘You guys can’t do X keys’ while ignoring any mistake they may have made, or the fact that we’re all human and mistakes happen, as well as technical errors and just bad RNG or group cohesion.
It is outside of premades, which is why you’re getting such a skewed perspective.
If you did all your keys through PuGs you would encounter alot more toxicity.
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I mean pugging is always gonna be worse but it’s not that bad assuming you’re vetting people
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Which would take longer for you to play.
I stopped doing M+ back in BFA, got sick of it.
Me taking 5 minutes to look at score is gonna save me blowing up 2-3 keys because unfortunately dungeons aren’t as easy to drag 2 perma dead players through these days.
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No, it’s not toxic in the least.
People can pretend it is all they want.
I don’t do full premades that often tbh.
It can be for a variety of reasons. People are usually pretty mellow, though, and nobody gets blown up on for no reason.
Well, we’ll never agree on that.
People can crap on the system all they want, it’s a player-base issue.
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I PUG somewhere north of 99% of the time and it’s not particularly toxic.
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People remember the bad runs more than the good one. I for one no longer tank M+ outside of guild because of massive toxicity toward tanks and healers. As DPS it seems better.
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Join a danged guild gahhhh
From reading the forums it seems that it’s basically a PR problem. All the horrendously toxic elitists come to the forum to make mythic+ sound like a festering swamp that no sane person would ever want to play, because they would end up having to meet those forum posters who hate everybody, seem to be having a very bad life, and are blaming it on people they have never met and never will.
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Typically there is only toxicity in a group when one or more players are failing a key. Other than that yes, the amount of toxicity in this game is slim to none. I’ve said it before but 9 times out of 10 someone complaining about toxicity is simply not playing their class or the game correctly and this is also why despite queued content being hilariously easy you always hear stories about drama in queued content, because most people who do queued content are pretty bad at wow in general.
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