When I first encountered Lilian on my Forsaken I was a bit surprised to find her in BFA. She seemed to completely take a 180. I wanted to ensure I had my story straight.
So I went back and started a new Forsaken and met Lilian again. And yup, there she was, same girl who saw herself as a monster and wanted
nothing to do with the Forsaken.
Then I read that Lilian actually acts differently toward rogues in BFA.
Lilian tells rogue players that her services were "requested", not unlike Garona, another member of the Uncrowned, who said that she was "conscripted" and had to fake her loyalty to the Horde for her own safety.
So if I'm reading that right, Lilian didn't change and she's still the necromancy hating Forsaken I met in Deathknell. Do you think she's going to betray Sylvanas at some point?
Would be incredible if Lilian takes out a Valkyr. A man can dream
Ah Lilian...hello darkness my old friend.
I have a heavy opinion on her BfA portrayal and how much it contrasts her pre BfA character.
I'm leveling several alts and I've had the pleasure of doing the dungeons that focus entirely on her Necromancer hunting gig. In the dungeons she comes off as a good natured Forsaken that just wants to end the cycle of undead being created and forced to serve evil forces. She comes off as a heroic character and if I mained Forsaken I would be exceptionally proud of her and proud to be a Forsaken along with her. She was fighting her own war apart from the red vs blue we all usually saw.
Then I nearly sobbed when I saw her while playing my Horde Druid, when I saw her drag off a corpse to be raised against the will of the person she just killed to serve the needs of Nathanos and Sylvannas and then watch her remain compliant and silent as Nathanos tells her to kill the new risen woman if she doesn't snap out of her newly risen stupor and prove her worth. It went against everything she fought for previously and made her go from a heroic character in my eyes to being a giant hypocrite the next. Apparently, raising undead and forcing them to serve their masters is only unforgivable and abhorrent when they are being forced to serve anyone other than Sylvannas.
Man did they butcher her character for me.
Both Lillian Voss and Garona were stupid choices for the Horde side of things but Blizzard wanted some recognisable names and realised they really hadn't bothered spending any time developing Horde characters since MoP and even then it was mainly to facilitate explaining why the Horde was attacking its own city.
Look at the Horde reps in the Order Halls and you'll notice that with a few exceptions, they are mostly dominated by characters with Alliance ties, history or race. Hell in the mage order Hall the best they could manage was Aethas the screw up who gave the Kirin Tor a priceless Blood Elf national relic to buy his way back into the city and some random BE magister who came out of no where and hasn't been mentioned since.
Alright, me staying on the actual topic: I sincerely doubt that she will turn against Sylvannas. I do believe that she will keep her word about Zelling's family, but I do not think she will actively attempt to rebel against her own faction leader. So far it looks like she has no reason to humor any thought to turn on her unless Sylavnnas does something to her personally. Zelling I don't think is enough of a reason for her to make that choice yet since I really also doubt her helping out Zelling's family actually bothers Syl unless is directly hinders her own objectives.
The only way I could possibly see Lillian disagreeing with Syl is if Zelling does something to warrant Sylvannas going after his family to "put him in his place" per se and Lillian now needing to come to blows with the Dark Rangers that will inevitably be sent to assassinate Zelling's family. But we haven't gotten that far yet.
10/29/2018 08:37 AMPosted by
Calixto
but I do not think she will actively attempt to rebel against her own faction leader
Sylvanas wasn't her faction leader until she suddenly became Horde out of nowhere this expansion. For the vast majority of Lilian's existence she had nothing to do with the Horde.
Would be incredible if Lilian takes out a Valkyr. A man can dream
And she won't even have to become the avatar of a god to do it.
: ^)
I think she'll turn against Sylvanas at some point, along with a whole bunch of other Horde members. The writing is splashed all over the wall, unless the writers have a curveball ready.
Lillian's hardly a Sylvanas fan. I'd ask the question why she'd stay loyal to Sylvanas in the event Saurfang and Baine et. al., start a push to remove Sylv from being Warchief?
10/29/2018 09:07 AMPosted by
Jerolan
Would be incredible if Lilian takes out a Valkyr. A man can dream
And she won't even have to become the avatar of a god to do it.
: ^)
It’s that exhume-an potential ;)
10/29/2018 09:07 AMPosted by
Jerolan
Would be incredible if Lilian takes out a Valkyr. A man can dream
And she won't even have to become the avatar of a god to do it.
: ^)
Would be par for the course for the Night Elf lore this expac. I feel really bad for you guys
10/29/2018 08:57 AMPosted by
Reignac
10/29/2018 08:37 AMPosted by
Calixto
but I do not think she will actively attempt to rebel against her own faction leader
Sylvanas wasn't her faction leader until she suddenly became Horde out of nowhere this expansion. For the vast majority of Lilian's existence she had nothing to do with the Horde.
I mean in the context that she suddenly became full on red. We don't know if she suddenly also had a catharsis in which like 99% of the rest of the Forsaken, follow Sylvannas without questions no matter what messed up thing Nathanos orders her to do.
10/29/2018 07:36 AMPosted by
Menard
When I first encountered Lilian on my Forsaken I was a bit surprised to find her in BFA. She seemed to completely take a 180. I wanted to ensure I had my story straight.
So I went back and started a new Forsaken and met Lilian again. And yup, there she was, same girl who saw herself as a monster and wanted nothing to do with the Forsaken.
Then I read that Lilian actually acts differently toward rogues in BFA.
Lilian tells rogue players that her services were "requested", not unlike Garona, another member of the Uncrowned, who said that she was "conscripted" and had to fake her loyalty to the Horde for her own safety.
So if I'm reading that right, Lilian didn't change and she's still the necromancy hating Forsaken I met in Deathknell. Do you think she's going to betray Sylvanas at some point?
Her arc mirrors that of the forsaken, they aren't happy with being undead nor did they want that fate. Hunted by the people they love, becoming the thing they hate. Now she came to accept her fate as a undead and will help other deal with similar situations.
Anything's possible. Her character is currently unrecognizable from its original appearance, so I can't predict what's likely anymore. She's doing a suspiciously good job of blending in, though.
10/29/2018 10:49 AMPosted by
Zuleika
Anything's possible. Her character is currently unrecognizable from its original appearance, so I can't predict what's likely anymore. She's doing a suspiciously good job of blending in, though.
Doesn't exactly help that her original appearance is a good number of years back in-game. She has more then enough time to have had a change of heart, but none of that has actually been shown or effectively eluded to.
10/29/2018 01:31 PMPosted by
Ninh
Doesn't exactly help that her original appearance is a good number of years back in-game. She has more then enough time to have had a change of heart, but none of that has actually been shown or effectively eluded to.
Frankly, I find it more likely that her change in characterization has more to do with spotty writing than with the writers putting any actual thought into how the years have changed her.
"My skills drew the attention of the powers that be. My services were ... "requested". Did you catch the hidden meaning there? Sorry, despite my profession, I'm not the best at subtlety".
Lilian does sort of imply that she was pressured into working for the Horde, which suggests that she was conscripted through implied threat like Garona. Her resurrection of Stone was involuntary, its apparent that Nathanos had given her that order due to the fact that he was expecting Voss to return with Stone's corpse. Faol, she was incredibly hesitant to revive, but she did so because he begged her to.
In both cases, if you've noticed, she's taken an enormous amount of responsibility for both of them; as well as going that extra mile to not only to see to their physical wellbeing, but their psychological wellbeing as well. Take that how you will.