In the Arthas Shadowlands short, we find out Uther and Devos kidnapped Arthas’ soul and summarily comdemned him to the Maw. This is not an argument for Arthas not deserving the Maw. But it does demand a question.
By subverting the Arbiter’s judgement in the name of vengeance (as admitted by Uther himself) and summarily sentencing Arthas, was it Uther and Devos who were responsible for “breaking” the machine of Death and causing the wheels to be set in motion for the Jailer to do what he’s doing?
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I thought he said it was justice. Twice.
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I like where you’re going with this, but unfortunately the timeline would be way off.
At the end, iirc, he says, “It was vengeance.” I could be wrong but I’m nearly positive that’s the case.
Short answer: No.
Long answer: Death was working fine until Legion, evidently. The last death that ‘worked’ was apparently Ysera. There’s not a lot of reason to expect Arthas is heavily involved, or him being cast in played a huge part - just yet.
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Unless.
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Time works/flows differently in SL. Therefore our concept of time may not necessarily apply.
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Arthas died (and presumably was thrown into the Maw) before Sylvanas met the Jailer and hooked up with him. That could imply the mechanism of Death was broken prior to the Jailer/Sylvanas alliance and the mechanism was broken by Uther and Devos.
Edit: or in the process of breaking as Ysera’s death was the last that “worked”. (Thanks, Zhanli!)
I beheld uther as he fell from heaven
like lightning
I strongly challenge your assertion that he deserves the maw. Arthas was an objectively good man. He wasn’t evil for evils sake. He fell victim to a curse but his intentions were noble and good.
He doesnt even deserve Revendeth. Maldraxxus seems most fitting
Well I mean, like, maybe? I would be more apt to believe that Uther is more susceptible to being manipulated because his soul is broken, and the Jailer is seriously messing with Devos. The service Uther has done has been exemplary, so it seems reeeeally weird he would suddenly forsake literally everything like this without some third-party messing with him.
Arthas did nothing wrong.
No Uther’s feelings make sense. He was a paladin which are zealots against evil…he faced his embodiment of evil and doubled was knowing it was his protege.
We see with AU post WoD Yrel that the light isn’t necessarily pure good. Zealotry can easily swing too far and become tyranny
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Well sure from your pov it makes sense. But my thoughts also make sense and there is more than enough examples when a third-party gets involved with you with malevolent intent.
This is mostly a case, I think, of we need to wait and see. There is simply not enough info to reliably come up with what’s really happened here, but there is just enough to wildly fuel speculation, of which a lot will be wrong, and some lucky guesses here and there.
I’m pretty sure events have been in motion ever since the Lich King, Helm of Domination and Frostmourne were created.
Should have let The Arbiter decide his fate.
We know from The Primus that the Order of the Shadowlands is exactly how its suppose to be. The Jailer was “jailed” for trying to break it.
So Uther in his own way hurt The Shadowlands.
I imagine something else is at play but if the Shadowlands can be broken by something as easily as 2 Kyrian disoebying then their system is bad and they should feel bad.
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Oh… oh dear. I think you are correct. Even worse, it is a very very patient third-party, content to wait for their plans to fully unfold. And who is the only villain that’s willing enough to wait a long time patiently like this?
“The void sucks at your soul. It is content to feast slowly.”
Well crap. 5 gold N’Zoth did a dream sequence on us, and we KNOW the Void is gunning for the Shadowlands. Did N’Zoth make a deal with the Jailer? If the Jailer wins, existence ends… just like it would with the Void.
Probably the Nathrezim as well. They probably manipulated KJ and stole artifacts from the Shadowlands?
Uther was resisting the Kyrian process which basically deletes yourself to become neutral and “pure”…he couldn’t just ignore his life’s calling and paladin nature and let his failed duty to rid the world of evil just go…
Is he resisting, or is it just a symptom of arthas literally ripping his soul like that?
Nah, I don’t think so. I just think it goes to show that even the most righteous of characters can stumble when something so traumatic happens. Did Arthas deserve it? Probably. But I don’t think Uther broke anything other than his afterlife code of honor. Can’t really blame him either.