And they’re doing themselves a disservice, They’re depriving themselves of meeting potentially awesome people while the end result is going to be pretty much the same. When they can’t actually steamroll ahead of everyone bar the early stages of each phase.
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In general yes, hybrid dps are not interchangeable with non hybrid dps as they weren’t properly balanced yet. So in general given the choice, which on a healthy realm there almost always is, there is no reason to bring hybrids as dps, raids might bring 1 or 2 for a various buff but that’s about it.
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Replace hunter with warlock and you got the right idea op.
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Not entirely. All the pure DPS classes (Rogue, Mage, Hunter, Warlock) plus Warriors can DPS. Everyone else is suboptimal. Though as raids require 40 people and drop so little you might be able to get in as a sub optimal class just so they can find a use for the class specific drops without having to shard them.
SSSHHHH!!! we want to trick them into investing 60 levels worth of leveling only to discover they have to be our heal bots. That way they feel trapped into the role. If they knew before hand, they’d just pick something without a heal button.
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It’s not just hardcore guilds though, and it’s not just about meta. Casual guilds actually suffer the most from taking these poor performing classes because they have less margin for error, and feel it far more than a hardcore guild would.
I’m just trying to be honest. People wanting to play these specs deserve to know the truth, and the truth is it will be very difficult to find a raid spot as one of those meme specs.
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You sure about that? The call for Burning Crusade is already going out. By August 2020 the call for F R E S H vanilla servers will go out.
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Well, that clarifies my decision a bit. I’m torn between Mage for the portals, sweet CC, food, etc. as well as Warlock for summons, free 40 mount, PvP, and overall easier leveling experience. I’m most excited that there will be no Draenei. That’s why I’ll play Classic over retail tbh.
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No, but I usually don’t buy the pelt before the bear is shot.
If you want to raid dps go warrior/mage/rogue/lock, (pala/priest for healer) everything else is trash, dont listen to people using fallacies like “sub-optimal classes”, they are one-trick pony, they have like 1 or 2 mandatory spots just because 1 specific skill (e.g. tranq shot, windfury totem, battlerez, inervate, etc).
But if you want to enjoy the game as a whole, leveling, rp, pvp, exploring, all that stuff, go whatever you want…
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Don’t overlook the other issue this causes. By saying “only these DPS classes will get raid spots” means most servers will be saturated with them. Even if you play one of those classes you’ll be competing against a billion other people playing the same thing.
You can find a home in a solid guild with other classes and specs. I prefer that anyway. I really want to find a guild that has to progress on the content instead of being like “Okay, everyone watch every Vanilla video ever made and know all the fights and if you don’t do everything perfectly it’s a 50 DKP minus because you’ve had 15 years! Also if you aren’t playing a class on this list, reroll immediately. You’re not allowed to play what you want.”
I never played Vanilla, so that’s wtf I intend on doing. Not premade class raid simulator.
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This is completely false. I was in a hard core guild that pushed into Naxx. We had 4 hunters, and I was a hunter. Yeah DPS lops off a bit mid AQ40, but through MC/BWL and the micro raids hunters are pretty freaking strong. When they fall off a bit there’s ways to make up a significant amount of the lost DPS, and they’re still good for utility. If your guild never figured out why hunters remain good, I just feel bad for you guys.
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Not at all.
You forgot Warlocks and the 1 Shadow Priest.
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Let the ignorant ones stereotype and call us meme specs. They won’t be in server first guilds either. And why worry about that? It’s no longer new content, kids.
As a feral I do more damage as a tank than any fury OT can do with a sword and board. With HotW I have more mana than you can dream of for off heals and decurse/posion cleansing with a simple gear swap. My TPS dwarfs a prot warrior. My massive health pull is great for magic heavy fights. And if you don’t need me healing I can go cat for some dps when not doing my tanking role on a fight.
We aren’t chart toppers which is why they call us names and mock us. Most those people didn’t chart top in Vanilla either. We provide the most flexibility of any class in Vanilla. And the guilds that recognize this are rewarded. Those that don’t miss out.
Cheer!
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Exactly, accept not how you think. Bad dps that is a unique special little flower does not improve your chances of getting a raid spot when there are a thousand people playing good dps. This is one of the points I try to hammer home. Proper raid specs are not hard to find. It would be one thing if I couldn’t find a raid dps to fill a spot, a meme spec is certainly better than nothing. But that will never be the case.
And when you aren’t tanking, you will continue to do as much damage as a fury OT is doing with his sword and board. I will admit that Feral is the one class that is worth considering. But at the end of the day, the few fights you do very well at don’t make up for the fact that you can’t compete with a fury warrior when it comes time to dps. Yes, you could heal…but most raids bring enough healers for the content. Having an OT swap to heals isn’t as useful as having them dps.
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Except flexibility is usually not needed and when it comes down to it when you take two people putting the same effort and skill in the pure dps class always comes out ahead by large margins.
And people know that, which is why given everything else being equal, player skill, personality, availability etc… the pure dps is the obvious choice.
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We can argue this until we are all blue in the face, at the end of the day it is what it is. These specs were almost never used in retail vanilla. They continue to rarely get used on pservers. To somehow think that Classic will be any different is silly.
If you get a spot, great! I honestly have nothing against a guild that is willing to use one. But the undeniable truth is that the overwhelming majority will not take you. You can either accept that or continue to live in denial and cry about it after spending hundreds of hours leveling and gearing up only to be told no.
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Unless you’re in a top guild, you can pretty play whatever you want. It’s bloody hard to get 40 people to show up for a raid. Often, they’ll have a perfect roster set, but then people won’t show up raid night and they’ll take whoever.
But if you’re hoping for a top end guild, then you’d better stick to the meta. While warlocks were better in 1.12, there was still a big stigma about taking them. I don’t know if that will still exist in Classic, though.
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We only had 2 warlocks. Once our GM saw how they scaled to insane levels in Naxx he was like, “Dude, we need to recruit and gear up 2 more locks!” But they were like unicorns on alliance side, so we never found anymore ![:frowning:](https://d38bqls1q93fod.cloudfront.net/en/wow/images/emoji/twitter/frowning.png?v=6" ":frowning:")
I believe they were the least played class back in Vanilla. I started with a warlock but quit when I wasn’t allowed to cast any DOTs in dungeons. The debuff limit really hurt warlocks in the beginning.