Is it safe to say Sargeras returns by The Last Titan Expansion?

And if so, does that mean Illidan or the Burning Legion return?

Sargeras is a possibility, I suppose. He’s the original big bad of the Warcraft universe, so I feel like they should let him cook a little while longer.

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Sarg is tuff, because they have to write a justifiable reason we beat them, when realistically we shouldn’t have a chance. My guess is we win through the power of friendship and good vibes :man_shrugging:t3:

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So the FF XIV way.

…Yeah. Yeah, I could unfortunately see it.

I rolled my eyes so hard in FF14 when people starting hopping dimensions to beat the final boss of Shadowbringers :wink:

ShB was pretty solid despite some of those moments. EW was when they decided to go all in on that concept all the time. I can’t take it anymore. :dracthyr_cry_animated:

FFXIV kind of pulled the Endsinger out of its butt though at the end.

The only thing that they were building up about was the Ascians and their origin and motivation on wanting to cause Rejoining.

Then in Endwalker they went “Oh yeah, one of them also had a cute little bird girl and they accidentally mentally traumatized them into become a Death God that want’s to destroy the entire universe or something and that’s actually what started everything.”

At least Sargeras would be clearly established from the beginning.

Although I would like to know what happened to Illidan if he lost the fight.

SB had a great villain, really well written where he wasn’t just a blind bad guy, and had justifiable reasons for being the way he was.

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Yep. Meanwhile in EW, we had an Angry Birds reject come out of left field.

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Emet Selch is one of the greatest villains written in fiction and you can put that on my tombstone.

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He’ll return, but I don’t see him being a villain.

If anything he’ll be the only Titan actively helping us stop whatever the Titans ultimate goals are. The Legion was always a means to an end, and we proved stronger. It’s in his interest to be on our side to stop the Void Lords.

Yup. Illidan, Sargeras… good selling point but also things to tie up.
You need Sargeras back in an expansion called Final Titan.

Titans return, Sargeras’ sword is the start of this arc, better bet he’ll be back.

I’m actually interested.

No problem. Gnomes come up with a Shrinkefier and we reduce all the Titan to human size and Anduin goes darkside for a bit and lops off their heads. Or something similar. Dwarves may be involved.

Sargeras: I was bad, but now I’m good. And I’m moving into your Neighborhood.

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I’d argue he returns in that expansion as it’s sort of implied we deal with the titans as a whole at that time and as it stands now, Sargeras is an unfinished plot thread since I find it impossible he stays imprisoned that entire time.

Right now the Pantheon is busy keeping Sargeras sealed away, so if something happens to them, like whatever Iridikron is planning, there’s a good chance Space Satan ends up being freed. It would be funny if Iridikron’s grand plan backfires on him because he didn’t know anything about Sargeras(he was sealed away for a long time after all).

As for how we stop Sargeras, that’s easy, just have the entire final raid take place inside of him, Unicron style.

sounds like you are intentionally making it absurd to justify your dislike of an aspect of the story. I would argue they were building up to explaining why the final days even happened which is heavily tied to the Ascians. Just because you didnt like the story doesnt make it bad, the Endsinger had lots of build up while leveling. Theres a difference between objectively bad writing and writing you simply dont agree with.

If they build up Saggy returning through the course of two expacs, Id accept it. Then it wouldnt be an butt pull. Whether they can pull it off well, thats another story.

Dynamis was literally pulled out of thin air and was never mentioned ONCE in any of the lead up to Endwalker.

Dynamis and the Endsinger are not the same thing. Dynamis was a force of nature that was never explicitly stated to exist, sure, but the blue bird turning dark, that had 10 levels of build up to the end. Not liking Dynamis to excuse your hatred of Endsinger is just as much of a butt pull.

Exactly, it only had 10 levels of build up. Meaning it was an invented villain for the expansion and pulled out of thin air at the 11th hour.

Zodiark was the big bad we were building up to, but he ended up being a mid-expansion trial and the story after that just went downhill from there.