Your reading comprehension needs work because none of this was stated, or even remotely hinted at in what I said. What I said was that your own statements make you come off as someone who has had their own hard work devalued and now you have no self respect for said hard work, or basic respect for the work of others.
As I said after being theory crafted into oblivion so all of those 52-58s where running around with BiS gear and literally on the final patch of vanilla. The “no changes” didn’t mean you got the exact same experience of people who logged in day 1. You got the experience of people who where playing the day before TBC came out. The only “phases” part of the game was the raid rollouts, they didn’t start with day 1 talents and gradually roll out updates and class changes like they did in vanilla.
You are acting like I disputed the ability to farm the raids, I mean you literally quote me saying it could be farmed so not sure what you are on about here.
Fun fact you can still farm the raid, that wasn’t the point I made about “a challenge” or having to work to get them, outside of actually during vanilla. The actual quests involved was what I referred to, and while easier in TBC/WOTLK, the quests themselves where harder than farming Molten Core was during those expansions.
You might consider getting one if you get this upset about someone explaining to you why you shouldn’t be able to get whatever you want, or pointing out the poor light you paint yourself with your own words.
Quite possible. But also the game was getting rolled by people that were sub 9 levels. You’d obviously know that hit rating was a very important and level is a large part of it. Whether it was min / maxed or not that game was a joke.
At the time the hardest part was teaching people not to stand in fire and healers learning how to dispel.
And you’re also acting like the game wasn’t seriously played back then as well. Ion was part of Elitist Jerks, they literally proved to blizzard that C’thun was unkillable.
Pretty sure they were able to steamroll it at the time.
Except you didn’t have to do it in vanilla. You could do the quest in wrath. Which doesn’t make in impressive at all.
This right here tells me you’ve got no idea what you’re taking about. Almost as if you’re remembering it through some fancy glasses because the quest itself is pretty straight-forward. In fact the only part that couldn’t be solo’s was the bosses.
BUT ALSO. At no point were you forced to solo the quest, you could have brought a friend along which is what many people did.
By the time the game gain in popularity, this fancy weapon was no longer a challenge to get.
And this tells me you have no idea what you are talking about. The quest for the hunter bow involved kiting mobs and had to be done 100% solo, if someone helped you either by healing, buffs, or damaging the boss you failed. Likewise the priest quest involved a section in which you had to heal and dispel a large group of NPC, the quest giver could only be seen when you had the Eye of Divinity, same for the actual quest NPCs as well. When doing that quest you had to heal several groups of NPCs under constant attack while dispelling them and once again only you could do this, no one else could help you. Roughly they came in groups of 10 and you had to save 50 before losing 15, the archers attacking them you couldn’t do anything to but in addition to healing them you also had to kill multiple melee’s that would come as well.
Did I mention both the hunter mobs they needed to kite, and the priest healing quest had to be done in the open world, in contested zones making you fair game to the opposing faction. Have fun doing that on a pvp server, like I did, and if you failed it because you got ganked congrats you now have a 12 hour wait.
That was literally the point and this is telling me everything I need to know that not only do you not understand what those items are you don’t even know what people had to go through to get them.
No one is talking about the hunter now other than you.
You spammed renew, holy nova, dispel, and SW:P
Again no one cares about the hunter bow other than you.
I absolutely could care less what people went through to get these items. Especially because they were TRIVIAL for the last 4 years they were available.
To be clear the hard part of vanilla wow was:
The players sucked because they were new
Did you have a running computer
Could you manage to get few drops over the other 39.
What wasn’t hard:
any of the mechanics
The players were just bad and that’s not a big deal. But the reality of the matter is that THE MOMENT TBC getting those items became not an accomplishment. And when Wrath hit, even less so.
And went oom if you did so. You used various down ranked heals, if you used at least rank 4 holy nova you could clear the melee mobs if you grouped them. Literally the challenge of the run was being able to juggle everything and not go oom, which you have clearly shown you don’t understand that basic concept.
The Hunter bow is in the same category as Benediction/Anathema as item from MC you can no longer get. The point is what you want doesn’t just extend to a single item.
PVP is never trivial, especially when you add all the other elements I described above. You are wanting to trivialize what people did to get items so you can justify your own personal entitlement.
But that was entirely common for vanilla.
Not just that one special occasion for priest.
I understand the concept pretty well thank you. I was keeping it simple I didn’t think you wanted me to say spam this ability at rank whatever, because it’s beside the point and anyone that had a remote idea of how it was done would know that.
In that aspect yes. But that at not the topic at hand.
Who is even bringing up PvP? But also you can ask some players and some seasons are more trivial than others. 10.0.7 ret paladin had a 92% play rate in non BG competitive pvp and a 95% win rate against non ret paladin teams.
Look guy at the end of the day it’s pretty simple. If you want your FoMo item because it’s cool and special, ok fine. Pretty lame reason but whatever I can respect that.
But you ain’t coming on here and telling me it was a “challenge” when it wasn’t. And for most of its availability (two full expansions) its was boarder-lined impossible not to get unless you didn’t do it / try.
You are completely ignoring what I am telling you. It actually took me multiple tries to get it during WoTLK, want to know why? Because I am on a pvp server and people camped that spot, especially after it was announced you wouldn’t be able to get it once Cata came out, meaning I didn’t just have to complete the quest I also had to fight players.
As I’ve said you want to trivialize what people did to get items, because frankly you have mo idea what they actually had to do for it. You read some guide online, or watched a video someone posted of themselves doing it at odd and low server pop times and thought that must be the norm, it wasn’t.
And here it is.
Aight I’m going to see myself out because now I know everything I need to know about you.
You’re personal experience does not get to dictate how hard something is. IF YOU struggled in wrath it is 100% a git gud situation. I would’ve conceded that it was a challenge from 2005-2007. But you being a bad player in Wrath doesn’t objectively make something hard. Which my whole arguement was around:
But also how you going to misleading saying things along the lines of and giving the illusion of doing it while it was current content.
and then turn around and say you did it in WRATH. Oh my god
I’m outta here its no longer worth my time. Keep you’re Fomo item, but for the love of god stop telling people it was a challenge when in fact you were an underperforming player when for a majority of the lifespan of the item. And you thrive off the memory of being bad and something was “a challenge” for you. Learn to be objective on things and keep person bias out.
It was hard for everyone who did it and had to deal with the griefers and campers, something you keep ignoring because it absolutely obliterates your fictional story about everything being a cake walk and taking no skill.
Tell you what, let’s gather group a random people who do nothing while people attempt to kill them. Your job will be to keep them alive while yet another group is players does their absolute best to kill you. When you fail nonstop you can come here and talk to me about a challenge.
But as I said you won’t take any of this into account because your entire argument is “lulz that thing I never did was easy” and you can’t stand to actually address the facts of the situation at hand.
I never got Benediction. This priest was never level capped during vanilla/TBC, and too busy to gather a group to farm Molten Core in wrath. I hold this position out of respect for the vanguard of players that I looked up to during my formative playing years.
So i watched a priest do it and still mess it up in Wrath lol. The mechanics involved with it (heal the ghosts one by one etc) were still highly mess-uppable. And The Cleaner would still spawn and…clean you. He could be tanked by an 80 tank but would never go away and you can’t kill him lol. So yeah, it could still be an ordeal even at 80.
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here ya go. Solo’d Level 60. Back in 2005.
Anyone that struggled at level 80, sorry but that’s a personal problem.
You’re allowed to be bad at a game. But what you find difficult and what someone else’s finds difficult doesn’t get to determined what is hard. The whole issue I have with this thread is people talking about something as if they: 1, actually did it when it was current (they did not) and 2, Getting to determined for the mass public what’s consider difficult.
Now I can respect the opinion of wanting to keep something because its a legacy item. I think its a pretty dumb reason to want to prevent people from things but I can at least respect it. I don’t respect people saying that for certain it was hard, and because they got their super special item when they were bad at the game means no one else deserves to have it.
I will say that if you got it in Molten Core gear, you probably were a good player and it was probably challenging. But that’s not the case here in the slightest. Wow isn’t gaining any new players and peoples opinions like this and the hard stances / positions they take make the game even less inviting. PvP has this same issue with participation and I’m willing to bet that if they unlocked past elite appearances in a way that they engaged in the active PvP season, they would see an uptick in players.
