“I, Raton, will doom us all!”
Raton vs Gamon fite when?
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I killed H-RP and I put it in my rp kill count
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“Oh, yes. I am very welcoming. Let me welcome you… TO YOUR DOOM!”
We should petition the Horde Council immediately!
Insert Gimli meme here
That still only counts as one!
It’s funny I’ve experienced the exact opposite. MG seems to be all about server lore, WRA doesn’t have that. Nobody flips out if you don’t accept big server events, such as Year of the Scourge for instance. In fact I remember this big Westfall plotline back in MoP that some people loved and some people utterly hated, and nobody really flipped out about those differing interpretations. The lore itself is the standard, not the actions of other RPers. On MG server canon seems to be a much bigger concern, and noncompliance or in some cases even ignorance to major server events is not well-received.
I don’t know of any situation where groupthink is required on WRA, aside from perhaps jokes about the “forum cabal”, and even that is nonsense as ultimately we wouldn’t have had so many debate threads over the years if we all held to the same opinions on everything lol.
While walk up RP in MG is much bigger, I’ve also found it harder to build connections. Something about the small community can be nice. I once ran a guild, Lordaeron Unbound, that literally grew out of random RP. Myself and two other Forsaken RPers were complaining about Sylvanas a lot in the Valley of Honour and after several interactions it grew into us doing something about it. Still a favourite RP thing of mine. On MG I’ve rarely even seen the same person twice, much less built connections, in random RP.
At the end of the day, we all have different experiences. Honestly, MG and WRA are both RP servers that actually share a significant portion of their populations anyway, so I doubt they’re really that different in many ways. In some ways they’re the same damn thing. So many of our stories seem to be “On this server I experienced X and therefore the other server is better”… but it strikes me that our experiences are sometimes the opposite of each other. Perhaps that says something… that the servers are very similar in a great many ways.
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Server canon is crap and if it actually exists on MG, I’ve never been approached with it. Far as I’m concerned, it doesn’t exist. If some poop-hose comes up and demands I recognize a character I’ve never heard of as some authority over things I do, I assume the expected response isn’t “Yes milord” but "lmao i didn’t vote for u’. If they AREN’T expecting pushback, then clearly not enough people have told them ‘No’ yet, and I’ll be glad to start a trend.
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I have never had someone tell me they didn’t want to acknowledge it and I wouldn’t blame them if they did. Feel free to ignore my characters when they bring up those events.
I love that! A great start to a guild if you ask me.
I did have some guards approach my Kul Tiran and ask for his immigration papers. Kinda went back and forth but it turned out they were fake guards trying to rob my character. Called the real guards and they sorted all out after asking permission to join. Was fun and interesting.
Best response! As it should be!
Edit: One more thing! I am heading out of town tonight so this is the last you may see of me for a week so sorry if I don’t respond. And don’t burn down the place while I am gone.
That’s a big ask, dude, but I’ll see what I can do.
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I can already see fire on Arazi’s head, I have concerns
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Well that’s good at least. What times? Or is there an event calendar somewhere? I remember you, but I haven’t played on WrA since Legion.
You def want to check out the Wyrmrest Community Project discord.
https://discord.gg/45g8JuuVD3
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Not seeing much RP in the usual hubs. I joined the discord though, perhaps that will help.
Welcome back! MM is heald every Monday starting at 6 ST and food is served at 7 ST. At least until posted otherwise. We did have an advert in the Wyrmrest Community project discord but it isn’t not. Will get that posted asap.
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Sorry for the delay, have been out of office.
Specifically, its more so meant to call attention to the fact that, at least when I was active on WRA and from what I can commonly see still, there is no deviation from lore from a T. I personally will reference it as the Metzen versus Golden mentality. With Metzen, much of the lore of Warcraft was written ambiguously, leaving a lot of room for interpretation. With Golden, it was a lot more defined, there wasn’t the ‘gray area’ so to speak in which there is room for interpretation.
I’d say to this point, MG lives and thrives in a lot more of the gray area, ‘filling in the gaps’ in lore so to speak. WrA as well lives and thrives in more of the black and white, writing stories based in this. Both have their pros and cons, with the gray area allowing for more creativity and exploration of concepts, but the black and white causing a bit more future-proofing. There is no right or wrong, just differences.
But because of this, the barrier of entry is much lower with the gray. You can easily excuse someone claiming to come from a town in Duskwood that was never explicitly defined on MG than you can on WRA, it’s more of that ‘gray area’ with IC remaining IC. WrA, not so much. OOC quickly transverses into IC of “I’ve never heard of that town; you must be a lunatic” sort of conversation to try to help coach the player behind the character. Again, neither is subjectively more right or wrong.
The biggest thing WRA vs MG has is the law of large numbers. MG has a higher population than WRA. Because of such, you will find an average that’s closer to the middle of the road, as opposed to one polarity or the other. While WRA still has a high population, it isn’t that of MG. Historically as well, when WRA was launched, it was quickly presented as an alternative to MG, but better. This history hasn’t been kind to newcomers (Aka PvPers or PvErs) who want to explore RPIng, but instead, staunch RPers who want to try a Warcraft setting.
Candidly Raton, I don’t think there is a fix at this point. This is a decade-old reputation that WRA has. However, to just at least try to brainstorm solutions, I would say communities are the answer (or whatever the not-guild feature, but basically, a multi-guild feature that was introduced can do). The more the roleplaying community recognizes and transverse across the realms to provide events, ideas, and collaboration, the better. MG can have its place as easy walk up RP, but WRA can thrive as the home of immersive story telling campaigns. In other words, promote a collaborative environment instead of an ‘Us vs. them’ as much as possible. And the best is, it seems WrA is already taking steps toward this, just needs to continue.
I’ve been on both sides. I still remember one of my first characters when I started RPing when I was 12 was a dwarf paladin named Keenn, who was not lore-compliant in the slightest (The Light totally likes demons right?). Similarly, I’ve ran guilds in my early 20s that were hardcore lore followers and didn’t deviate at all. As I’m approaching my 30s, I now appreciate the easy, simple interactions that offer a short term RP experience that I can bounce back to real life from.
Apologies for bouncing around, but hopefully that helps provide some thoughts and feedback from a now outsider looking in.
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Ahh so the lore itself is the groupthink. Personally I find it much more enjoyable to work within established canon. If you’re from Duskwood, for instance, why not say you’re from one of the two major settlements in the region, or perhaps an old farm nearby? What purpose is served by the unilateral proclamation of an rp space that doesn’t exist in game or external lore? It seems to me like it’d just sow the seeds of confusion.
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The greatest trick the Devil ever played was convincing WoW that Christine Golden was responsible for Steve Danuser.
i disagree
MG has some weird server lore
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Even leaving that aside, people define “grey” differently.
What’s grey? I’ve flirted with “grey” ideas like a subtlety rogue who’s a half trained ex Dalaran Apprentice, thus explaining the shadowstep and stealth stuff as arcane spells. I’ve got a DK who, once a paladin, can still use the Light. These things might be considered “grey” but there’s some basis in lore.
Inventing new locations is a step too far for me. I’ve seen RPers who claim to rule brand new political entities, and that’s never been my vibe.
Then further again is I’ve seen people RPing things that are outright out of universe. Time Lords, or Jedi, for instance. Is that grey?
From my experience WRA draws that line a lot more closely to my personal immersive comfort zone. Nothing wrong with a bit of creativity. But to me the lore is our shared framework, and departing from that kills immersion.
On WRA, I’ve noticed it’s mostly guild rp, and it’s super easy to get into a guild, but to stay in one has been rough. I’ve visited the guild faire several times, did all the discord servers, and even join the WRA community project/procterate.
There’s a lot of guilds in the guild faire that are not even rp guilds, and the few I find tend to have a very specific story which makes it hard to get into if you are not already fitting in. I even had one guild I spent a lot of time writing and working with for like, a year, before they played their hand showing they only write for the older members of the group, which is extremely dishearting. One was showing good promise, only to swap to a non rp pve only guild within a month. Others want well established characters, but once again only have open “roles” (best way I can describe it) for actually roleplay with them. And starting a guild is just as bad, but I have thought about it.
The discord servers are a mess right now. To keep up to date, every event has it’s own discord server, and you have to be part of the mega servers to even find the links to the event discords. I understand why people are doing that, but it leads to situation I have no clue who is doing what when because there’s like 15+ servers I’m in just to find a few events. And because of the seperation of discord servers, the rp feels seperated. And it feels more like everyone does it because everyone does it? There’s no real “hub” anymore with exception of WCP and The Procterate.
The Community project didn’t quite support my monthly events like I thought, and it felt a little dead for the in game community. Which feels like it defeats the purpose of a hub server. And the procterate, I had some pretty bad experiences with some of their events, so I just avoid their hub events, they also feel way more towards rp-pvp and that’s just not my thing.
In general too, WRA people seem weirdly elitist. The “this race/class only” guilds can be pretty nasty, you must have the health stats (which most people don’t so like), and the general superiorty complexes that come from people who’ve “played on WRA for forever” or “We’ve been on WRA since it opened” “We’re the oldest guild” or “I’ve been rping since I started playing” blah blah, I don’t care how long your trp is or how long you’ve been roleplaying, I just want to roleplay. No one feels welcoming anymore, and I’m not sure if they mean to be or not honestly.
Even more so as I don’t play my characters via their race/class/lore. Why can’t my Death Knight have emotions? I can’t have my orc be anything but grumpy/tough/ruthless? My vulpera be shy and quiet? Or my pally be fine with the undead? Because some piece a lore in a book years ago said so? The lore that gets rewritten every five days or so? I don’t have to be so far outside the realm of basic wow immersion, but maybe I’m tired of the same 8 character arch types because “that’s not how they are in lore” ?
This hold true with the “the horde are the bad guys now”, I spent years noticing how so many wanted to play horde because they are the bad guys and they don’t have to be goody goody, and now that there’s hints that everyone is sh*tty, suddenly we care about what the greater faction does? We gonna stop play Ally when they pull their whole “bUt HE’s AcTUllaY BaD” “LigHT BAd”
This is all compared to MG, both A and H,
I found a guild that so far has been nice to work with and welcoming. So far, even the /race/class/etc guilds seem to keep to themselves and make their intentions clear.
The world rp people are active and while not my kind of rp, clearly are some peoples. With very little care on how strict lore needs to be if it’s important to you.
More community activity, a lot of people know other people, they talk to each other. Making sure bad actors get pushed out, and good people brought in, so someone can’t go around trolling events or such. But also, if you’re into not rp at the moment, there’s still people doing other things in the world to help out with quests.
While the discord mess is still true, because many of the community are interconnected, it’s not that hard to find an event or something similar. Which for event rp, MG just has it all. Markets, Dance clubs, Culture events, cafes, music festivals, and even massive festivals like the Brewfest Bash or World’s Faire Carnival.
I still play my WRA toons, but I’ve notice I just get someone to anchor me.
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idk man
some servers just arent for everyone
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This stereotype is nonsense for what it’s worth. Case in point: Thassarian. He cares very deeply for his sister and his bestie Koltira. Clearly has feelings.
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