Its the only spec I like, both arcane and fire feel like you are monitoring stuff constantly and its unfun to me, I checked warcraft logs but it changes every week so im not sure, I just want to get KSM nothing too fancy, but I dont want to get kicked or have a hard time finding groups like in SL
I think it is. I am FAR from a top tier player but I do OK with keys up to 12 or 13 (have not bothered to try higher). Also can clear normal raid and first few bosses on heroic. One suggestion is to ditch ROP and take IF. ROP is a damage boost but ONLY if you are a VERY good player. You can do nearly as well with IF. Don’t pay attention to what you see at the practice dummies. They do not shoot back and put nasty stuff on the ground to make you move or have a tank dragging them away from you. IF is easier and at the end of the day you likely will not see a huge drop in “real world” DPS (again, caveat is if you tend to parse 80%+ then ROP may be a better choice).
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I feel like any spec can be viable if you truly enjoy it. I remember back in Shadowlands, I only ever played arms despite what others said and the funny thing was, my DPS was much better than when I played fury.
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This.
I see so many innexperienced mages using RoP only for it to be useless since they gotta move anyways.
It’s a small difference in dps between RoP and IF for frost anyways, even when used optimally
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frost is perfectly fine for M+
it’s been gaining popularity since the buffs
I agree,with ROP you become to focused on it to enjoy going anywhere you need to go.
Frost is amazing for M+, outside of Sanguine the slows are immensely helpful for melee and tanks. Especially for things like Spiteful.
I’d recommend running IF as frost for M+. Allows you to be as mobile as possible/focus on mechanics/interrupts/positioning much better, and it’s barely a dps loss for frost due to its flat damage profile.
I got KSM last week and I only play frost. It wasn’t a struggle. I am not a great player (as many on here have pointed out by linking my raid logs to me), but I do my best not to stand in bad stuff, I interrupt incoming spells, and I get invited back. I don’t feel like I’m crushing the content, but I’m doing decently.
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It might even be a better option on some weeks. This week with the ghosts and quaking its extremely frustrating trying to play arcane.
Everything is viable for KSM. If you have issue getting invited into group make your own from scratch and be picky. If you wait long enough a pumper will eventually queue.
Also valor cap is being remove next reset (not tomorrow) make sure you put in title if it’s a valor upgrade (meaning bonus valor for everyone) you will get higher ilvl coming for the bonus.
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If your curious about getting better at the spec, there’s a frost mage that makes youtube guides named Manather. He just hit rank 1 for frost mages and is in the top 20 of all mages in terms of io. He taught me a lot about the spec and could really help out, y’know if you are trying to be better at the game.
If you’re just for fun, then yes, frost is viable in m+ and raiding currently, especially with all the buffs it’s received over the past few weeks.
Perfectly playable, but far from being meta. You won’t have problems doing +15s and once you get enough gear you can do +20s just like any other spec in the game. It’s probably around B and C tiers for M+ overall if you care about tier lists at all. I just feel like it’s extremely weird the class hasn’t had a single mention on the 10.0.7 patch notes yet.
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Frost is going to struggle in M+ in lower pug keys, a lot, because your tank isn’t going to chain pull and you’ll be rez’ing people or die yourself between trash packs.
This kills your IV uptime and you’ll be doing tank damage.
Frost is great in better runs, besides dungeons like HOV where there is a lot of distance to physically run where you cannot attack (again, same reason, IV uptime is essential). I’m running 20s and no one is whining about my DPS. I don’t bother with the snowdrift talent (Cone of Cold one), at least until they fix the timer on it, its too much a pain to play around.
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Its currently the strongest mage spec in keys, though fire is certainly close and arcane is viable/competitive.
I dunno, I haven’t been invited to ANY pug key in 2 weeks. I’m 2500 and I’ve been getting denied to 11’s all week. FEELS GOOD BLIZZARD, DO SOMETHING
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IF is a huge loss. ROP is required in all pve situations for all 3 specs. IF is good in pvp though.
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Frost is… fine. They’re just really annoying to play with as a tank during Sanguine and in any key level where we feel no need to kite for our survival. Which is most of them.