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I really enjoy playing enhance in pve and I liked playing it in pvp in like, prior xpacs, but I haven’t tried it in bfa yet
Alright in PVE. Just not as good as ele or other melee.
Complete dog in PVP.
You should still try it out if you feel like it.
Saucer You ever mess with elemental spirits talent and vision of perfection?
I had 3x lightning dogs proc with trinks and my stormstrike tooltip read over 100k with landslide
I only have 2x here but im using a spell caster off hand with 0 agi
Also Torrent of the elements affects sundering alongside fire dogs, I managed to pull a 50k lightning bolt too
I mean enhance still falls over but damage wise this seemed kinda absurd lol
pvp dummy doesn’t actually reflect the arena dam
i can get 250k chaosbolts at 415, 200k earthshocks with like 1% vers and 1 lava shock, and do 50k dps as unholy on it
i think all it does is scale traits down not scale your actual damage to player vs player
The PvP dummy in Org is off by a couple thousand by it does actually reflect close to real PvP numbers
In Org My Lava Burst Caps at 19k
On Mugambala PvP Dummies same Lava Burst hits for 27k
1x Igneous
Regardless doesn’t Change the fact that Stormstrike hovering around 100k tooltip damage with a single scaled down rolling storm trait
I mean it’s a 30% difference and assume that there’s 100k storm strike it’d scale down to 70k~ which isn’t as good espesh with current health pools
I havnt messed with vision but double lightning dog is bigger burst than ascendance if you get lucky and have the uptime, 2 big IFs though. If wolves gave us healing or mitigation then vision could be nice.
If Primal Primer hadn’t been hugely nerfed on top of the 50% pvp nerf, I would most likely be playing wolves with hot hands and landslide for big numbers. With that build I would play vision alot.
Lava burst has an entirely different coefficient in PvP than it does in PvE, as does Earth shock.
I’m not sure if stormstrike has one or what it is but its not the dummy that does this, its ability specific
And for a spammable ability 70k is incredibly high, prob is scaled down in PvP and why ive never been hit by one
Even though my ilvl is only 422 I don’t really seem to struggle putting out damage. Especially in Ascendance and lining up CD’s you can melt people.
It’s just Enhance defensives are non-existent/garbage and our sustain through self heals is sorely lacking. Once wall is gone it’s either kill or be killed.
Always been a downfall of enhance and even shaman overall
I remember the days we begged for shamanistic rage to be class wide and even then when only enhance had it was a tanky spec
Only when we had astral shift on stuns did shaman feel great
That earth totem bulwark was good too but never scaled
Those days we had a MUCH better toolkit. You could do a lot between Frozen Power, Sham Rage, Bulwark, Cleanse totem, Instant Hex etc.
I used to duel a lot back then (WOTLK days) and didn’t really have much issue going to toe to toe with any class. Fights were usually close and never a blow out. If we only had a toolkit like that now 
dunno about wrath but some hand picked cata->wod favorites
prob missing a few
Healing/Defensive
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WEAKENED BLOWS
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ROOT TOTEM !!!
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Feral spirits healing and stun/taunt utilit
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Healing tide + AG + healing rain
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Healing stream (+glyph that reduced magic dam taken by 10% for 10 sec when healed by healing stream)
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Sham rage
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Primal earth elemental reinforce
Offensive abilities
- Stormlash totem
- Windfury totem
- Static cling
- Elemental mastery
- Elemental blast
- Primal elementalist (want access to pulverize)
- Primal fire elemental damage + empower channel
to be honest
if we had access to
Root, Primal elementalist, Sham rage, Healing stream +glyph, wolves spirit hunt healing, BASELINE feral lunge, unique weakened blows (chaos brand mystic touch style)
and a damage nerf we’d prob be insanely fun to play and viable without relying on specifically cancerous mechanics like 30% hp healing surges like in dread
oh yeah
REMOVE FORKED LIGHTNING
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It’s kind of amazing, when you look back at all we’ve had, how much has been removed or taken away from the class/spec.
I just remembered we had Bind Elemental CC as well lol
I’m not trying to beat a dead horse but it really leaves me scratching my head.
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You think leaving us with niche utility would let PvE be a lot more interactive and diverse.
Say your spec had poor dps because of movement or whatever but raids desired you because you had CC and utility for Progression.
I’m surprised mage tables and healthstones havent been removed randomly just because
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It’s either enhance shaman’s never die and are purge bots or they wear papermail and do ridiculous damage.
Their damage is actually insane right now, if they get defensive buffs, the damage would have to be tuned accordingly. They’re not bad. Last time I q’d there were a couple of turbo’s on ladder but they require good play.
As i said previously, they should design the game around the most complex system (PvP) first. If it works there then they can make it work in other areas such as questing, dungeons, and raids.
It doesn’t even mean PvP has to be the most important system to them. It just makes sense logically to make specs function correctly in the most difficult scenario first as it will only make the job of making them work in simpler content easier.
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I don’t think it would take much to find a better balance, Enhance scaling has always been VERY gear dependent.
If our damage wasn’t good right now we’d be less than worthless, at least we have something.
Even if they made a simple change like Astral Shift useable while stunned I don’t think it would drastically alter things and suddenly Enhance would be un-killable burst machines. We DO need something right now and that would be a big QOL improvement without being OP.
They’re actually pretty horrible
Also yes their dmg is over tuned and would need to be brought down
Well people are playing them at top tier ladder level, unlike affliction, which is ACTUALLY an example of a horrible spec. They have something going for them which is clearly their damage.
Could they use tuning? Absolutely, but they are not horrible. A lot of specs could use tuning, demo included which I’d much rather be playing but it is what it is.
Cmon man, lets be real