While leveling I’ve noticed brewmaster seems to be REALLY healer dependent in dungeons and was wondering if that changes at max lvl/with more gear? I don’t mind being a little dependent on the healer but most of the time in dungeons it seems like they have to spam heal me the entire time if I’m fighting 5+ enemies.
They are the most healer dependant tank for sure. Its not as bad at end game but still a thing forsure
Yes and no. We definitely need a healer but we have the most steady damage intake of any tank so while we need attention we always take predictable damage which is a nice thing for healers with some experience under their belt.
As you get to max though you can survive more and more without needing a healer to babysit you 24/7 what with azerite and essences that can heal or apply absorbs, healing or absorb trinkets and good kiting/utility usage.
Most low levels and new players will say brew master tanking sucks.
But they don’t know the value of stagger being able to smooth an attack that can kill a player in 1 hit.
Brew master is so invaluable in raids.
Most inexperience players don’t know about brew masters but it’s fine.
Is the biggest part here. Too much of the game is designed with max lvl in mind. So now more than ever under max lvl is just a mess
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Shelved my DH, and Paladin for this guy.
Love monk tanking.
As a Monk and Druid healer (and occasional Monk Tank) I find healing BM’s fine. Stagger seems to go with HoT’s quite nicely. All depends on the tank though… i.e pull too many multiple groups and your going to have issues. but that goes with any Tank/Healer combo
pps: I miss BM’s shield bubble we had in MoP though… sad panda
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BM is the best progression tank in the game. They are the only ones that can have 100% uptime on their active mitigation, and even their passive is pretty good. Many of the fights this expansion have needed high mobility too.
At lower levels, particularly in the 78-90 range when all the other tanks have their Mastery and the dungeons have spiked (e.g. ICC Wrath, TBC Keep, and Cata) - yeah for some reason they are very squishy. Something about the way stagger works at that level is really off and it leads monk tanks to struggle. I don’t know why and can’t imagine how many leveling brewmasters have given up on the class, but for what it’s worth they are much, much sturdier at endgame than they are while leveling.
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Monk is very strong and has great healing and dmg mitigation. We also have CCs to kite. Id say Warrior-Monk-Pally-DK-Druid in that order.
I pretty much leveled 20-80 via tanking on this Monk.
You do feel a bit squishy until you hit 70 and get Celestial Fortune, afterwards it feels very smooth.
Other than that, I’ve had no problems with aggro, mobility etc.
I enjoy tanking at lower levels. Good luck though, sounds like some bad luck.
This is my concern too. Monks and tanks are underrepresented as it is. Having a crappy leveling experience for brewmasters is not cool. It might be better if they allowed access to guard as a tier 1 talent.
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As someone who JUST got through that experience, and finally hit level 80, I’ll say I feel completely drained and disillusioned by my BRM monk. Those runs were awful. I felt like paper. The runs would have been better if I just let some of the DPS players tank instead.
Just did my first few MOP runs and it doesn’t seem as bad, though I rarely see stagger being that valuable, still. It’s so rare to actually get a huge stagger bar and cleanse it. That’s the big valuable fun thing to me, getting a huge stagger bar then just eating it negating all the damage. It’s way too rare that it happens, though.
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That’s becau and w those dungeons enemies are designed with older styles of tanking involved that.
At max lvl in higher up content my stagger goes red often.
It’s not “luck,” there really is a design flaw with monk tanking somewhere in the 60-90 range. You’ll notice it too when you get there. It doesn’t make it impossible to tank, but BrM becomes noticeably squishier in that range for some reason.
Hopefully the SL level squish fixes it.
Once you cap you’ll see that happening all the time - especially once you get the Straight No Chaser azerite trait and have near-100% uptime on Ironskin Brew. You’ll carry massive amounts of stagger that you get to purify into nothingness regularly, it’s beautiful.
This was especially handy on particularly hard-hitting bosses like Fetid Devourer, Grong, and Orgozoa.
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most raid guilds use 2 brew masters or 1 brew master and a prot paladin.
what does that tell you if most guild in mythic raids are using brew masters as main tanks?they are op af…lol.
Near 100% uptime on ironskin brew
I already do have that. If not 100% in every fight. It’s not that hard to maintain as it is.
Thats probably because compared to warriors, paladins and bears, they kinda do “suck” at low levels. Those three get more tools early and are just ridiculous. BRM doesn’t really start shining until like 80+ imo. Not saying they ‘actually’ suck, but in relation to those three, they are definitely behind the curve. DK is also sort of in that boat, early on DK can be really frustrating and SUPER spikey which freaks a lot of healers out.
Monks are healer dependent b/c they are always taking damage, but we don’t get instagibbed. Also, at higher levels M+ when tanks mostly have to kite we have a great kiting toolkit so there’s that.
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