I know demo is a joke atm but if you are going for mythic progression can destro not cut the mustard? Considering lock for the next raid and am apping to a mythic guild. I would like to play destro if possible but I'm willing to play whatever is needed.
You can play destro in mythic its just affliction is better.
Is there any signs that that will change in 8.1?
Not unless they give destro more insta casts or nerf affliction to the ground. Affliction has been the best for awhile now though so its not a shocker. But I mean if you have no clue on how to play affliction but are good as destro you will be better at destro regardless. It's just all things being equal affliction is just better because it scales better with gear and has dots for heavy movement.
You can play all specs
Hell, on Zekvoz Demo is far superior and on Vectis Zul, and Mythrax Destro is technically better as well. Even Demo does a bit better than Affliction on all of those fights according to logs
Here's my last Mythic Zekvoz kill, I even inspired the other lock (who is basically an Affliction 1-trick) to play Demo for this kill:
https://www.warcraftlogs.com/reports/rGQzH6ZqNPFRVTgk#fight=19&type=summary
People gotta stop spreading this false information that Destro's meh and Demo's unviable. I'm also smashing Vectis as Destro should be able to kill him this week hopefully. Plus I regularly push M+ keys and am sitting at 1315, I compete as all 3 specs
Hell, on Zekvoz Demo is far superior and on Vectis Zul, and Mythrax Destro is technically better as well. Even Demo does a bit better than Affliction on all of those fights according to logs
Here's my last Mythic Zekvoz kill, I even inspired the other lock (who is basically an Affliction 1-trick) to play Demo for this kill:
https://www.warcraftlogs.com/reports/rGQzH6ZqNPFRVTgk#fight=19&type=summary
People gotta stop spreading this false information that Destro's meh and Demo's unviable. I'm also smashing Vectis as Destro should be able to kill him this week hopefully. Plus I regularly push M+ keys and am sitting at 1315, I compete as all 3 specs
I tried playing Demo and just don't like the clunky feel of it. I do however like the feel of Destro, but today I am gonna try playing Afflic just to see how much more dps I do on Afflic vs Destro. But honestly, my Destro lock seems to do very well so I guess it is all how you play these various specs.
Yes this is the most important. How well you play any spec is going to matter more and as Ghaz said destro is good on destro specific fights just like on heroic. I didn't mean to come off that destro is horrible. It just has its limitations.11/04/2018 05:15 AMPosted by LunaestiaI tried playing Demo and just don't like the clunky feel of it. I do however like the feel of Destro, but today I am gonna try playing Afflic just to see how much more dps I do on Afflic vs Destro. But honestly, my Destro lock seems to do very well so I guess it is all how you play these various specs.
11/04/2018 02:34 AMPosted by GhazgkulYou can play all specs
Hell, on Zekvoz Demo is far superior and on Vectis Zul, and Mythrax Destro is technically better as well. Even Demo does a bit better than Affliction on all of those fights according to logs
Here's my last Mythic Zekvoz kill, I even inspired the other lock (who is basically an Affliction 1-trick) to play Demo for this kill:
https://www.warcraftlogs.com/reports/rGQzH6ZqNPFRVTgk#fight=19&type=summary
People gotta stop spreading this false information that Destro's meh and Demo's unviable. I'm also smashing Vectis as Destro. Plus I regularly push M+ keys and am sitting at 1315, I compete as all 3 specs
Thank you for the info, I will give all three a try and get to know them.
Destro is without a doubt better on Vectis, and depending on your raid's needs pretty much any spec can be played on any fight (except Demo on MOTHER because of the DC bug, though honestly the fight is so easy it doesn't matter).
11/04/2018 05:15 AMPosted by LunaestiaI tried playing Demo and just don't like the clunky feel of it. I do however like the feel of Destro, but today I am gonna try playing Afflic just to see how much more dps I do on Afflic vs Destro. But honestly, my Destro lock seems to do very well so I guess it is all how you play these various specs.
I personally find Demo and Destro very smooth to play and I find that if anything Affliction's the awkward one to play due to trying to work around Pandemic AND Deathbolt for optimal damage, although I admit I'm not the Affliction Warlock in the world despite my parses. All comes down to preference really
11/04/2018 06:14 AMPosted by ChayseeYes this is the most important. How well you play any spec is going to matter more and as Ghaz said destro is good on destro specific fights just like on heroic. I didn't mean to come off that destro is horrible. It just has its limitations.
All casters have their limitations on certain fights. Obviously mother is most casters' nightmare
On a side note, I thought I recognized that name, IIRC I tried recruiting you to Exødus last expac during ToS although I was playing my Death Knight back then. Long time no see, did you and your guild choose to transfer to Thrall together?
Affliction is tops for boss damage in a progression setting. People bring 1-2 affliction locks for the boss damage they do. It makes a solid core of single-target boss damage on which to build. If you want to do mythic then you should know how to play affliction because your raid is probably going to ask you to play it at a lot of the time - especially at the start of a tier.
That said, consider browsing this page and related charts:
https://www.warcraftlogs.com/zone/statistics/19#boss=2144&dataset=50×pan=1000&class=Warlock
That chart shows the single target difference in a fight with few mechanics to take advantage of. You'll notice that affliction maintains a 1k dps advantage through the tier for Taloc. This trend is only present on Taloc, MOTHER, and Fetid. Other fights show a lot more variability in performance over the tier and percentile. That means that other specs can perform when played well in the right encounters. Basically it comes down to the question of what your raid needs. a) Need more boss damage? (80% of situations based on proportion of parses that are affliction) -> go affliction, b) more burst aoe -> go demo, or c) burst priority add dmg -> go destro.
The only consistent trend across all of these charts is that there are thousands more affliction parses for any given fight. My opinion is that this trend comes from raid groups prioritizing affliction for the boss damage niche it fills and bringing in other classes for other purposes. It's just more practical to build the group around what's consistent and predictable - which is afflicition ST.
As for rotations et cetera - I agree that aff's is the clunkiest at the moment. It's basically a flavorless legion demo where deathbolt is KTC. Currently, demo is the most fun to play since your big cd is only a 90 sec cd. It just feels good getting to build damage so much more often.
That said, consider browsing this page and related charts:
https://www.warcraftlogs.com/zone/statistics/19#boss=2144&dataset=50×pan=1000&class=Warlock
That chart shows the single target difference in a fight with few mechanics to take advantage of. You'll notice that affliction maintains a 1k dps advantage through the tier for Taloc. This trend is only present on Taloc, MOTHER, and Fetid. Other fights show a lot more variability in performance over the tier and percentile. That means that other specs can perform when played well in the right encounters. Basically it comes down to the question of what your raid needs. a) Need more boss damage? (80% of situations based on proportion of parses that are affliction) -> go affliction, b) more burst aoe -> go demo, or c) burst priority add dmg -> go destro.
The only consistent trend across all of these charts is that there are thousands more affliction parses for any given fight. My opinion is that this trend comes from raid groups prioritizing affliction for the boss damage niche it fills and bringing in other classes for other purposes. It's just more practical to build the group around what's consistent and predictable - which is afflicition ST.
As for rotations et cetera - I agree that aff's is the clunkiest at the moment. It's basically a flavorless legion demo where deathbolt is KTC. Currently, demo is the most fun to play since your big cd is only a 90 sec cd. It just feels good getting to build damage so much more often.
Hi. A few of us came to thrall and some went to area 52. I took a break at the end of Legion though. I just got burnt out.11/04/2018 09:27 AMPosted by Ghazgkul11/04/2018 05:15 AMPosted by LunaestiaI tried playing Demo and just don't like the clunky feel of it. I do however like the feel of Destro, but today I am gonna try playing Afflic just to see how much more dps I do on Afflic vs Destro. But honestly, my Destro lock seems to do very well so I guess it is all how you play these various specs.
I personally find Demo and Destro very smooth to play and I find that if anything Affliction's the awkward one to play due to trying to work around Pandemic AND Deathbolt for optimal damage, although I admit I'm not the Affliction Warlock in the world despite my parses. All comes down to preference really11/04/2018 06:14 AMPosted by ChayseeYes this is the most important. How well you play any spec is going to matter more and as Ghaz said destro is good on destro specific fights just like on heroic. I didn't mean to come off that destro is horrible. It just has its limitations.
All casters have their limitations on certain fights. Obviously mother is most casters' nightmare
On a side note, I thought I recognized that name, IIRC I tried recruiting you to Exødus last expac during ToS although I was playing my Death Knight back then. Long time no see, did you and your guild choose to transfer to Thrall together?
11/03/2018 08:07 PMPosted by NevergiveupIs there any signs that that will change in 8.1?
No, because some kings rule forever.
11/04/2018 02:34 AMPosted by GhazgkulPeople gotta stop spreading this false information that Destro's meh and Demo's unviable.
I like to constantly prove people wrong on this problem. I too also inspire others to play demo more. Demo is WAY better than people are giving it credit for. I think most just don't give it a fair shake when they try it.
11/06/2018 01:09 PMPosted by Archângêl11/04/2018 02:34 AMPosted by GhazgkulPeople gotta stop spreading this false information that Destro's meh and Demo's unviable.
I like to constantly prove people wrong on this problem. I too also inspire others to play demo more. Demo is WAY better than people are giving it credit for. I think most just don't give it a fair shake when they try it.
I keep trying the other specs but I keep coming back to demo. Granted im still leveling, but it feels so smooth.
Numbers are a bit skewed in affliction's favor because you have to remember a majority of locks were Affliction starting out this tier and a lot of them still her despite the buffs to Destro and Demo. Destro is a legitimate option over Affliction and Demo just has a couple fights where it lags behind hard.
11/07/2018 05:21 AMPosted by IzuniNumbers are a bit skewed in affliction's favor because you have to remember a majority of locks were Affliction starting out this tier and a lot of them still her despite the buffs to Destro and Demo. Destro is a legitimate option over Affliction and Demo just has a couple fights where it lags behind hard.
Affliction is ahead by a decent margin on all but 2 fights. Those 2 fights would be Vectis and Zul. Though Destro is a very viable option atm people just want Aff for the pure boss damage they do.
All specs viable in mythic. Some obviously better based on the boss, but demo is by no means a joke, it's pretty solid.
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I play affliction in raids and usually dungeons. Sometimes when I’m doing quests I will swap to another just for fun.
I can only speak on my personal experience, currently progging on Zek’voz and I do almost 8k more dps than our aff lock consistently. I do guglobs more add damage than he does. Granted we also haven’t killed it so it could be that we all just suck.