I had a 2k io fire Mage join a 15 PF yesterday. First pull he tab targets the wrong pack with a scorch. We now have the big guy and 2 packs of mushrooms. It’s a wipe on the first pull, and the Mage who caused it instantly leaves.
So now we have a 14, and this time we pug a WW monk whose highest PF is a 12. Maybe 1000io ish. The run is super smooth and they know exactly what they are doing.
IO score doesn’t guarantee that you don’t get tools like that Mage, it just gives the illusion that you are mitigating your risks. But something’s not quite right.
It’s not an illusion… it’s simple logic and statistics. You are mitigating your risks… on average, people with higher io scores are going to do better than people with lower io scores. That’s the end of it.
Maybe the Mage was trolling. I’m honestly finding the more I use IO to make groups, the more I am seeing people whose best key is a couple of levels below the key you are doing perform way better than people who have much higher io and just want their easy 14s.
I think those high io folks are way more likely to trash your key and leave, AND they are so relaxed they are unfocused, so they make more mistakes. You’d think someone who regularly does +20s would have no problem in a +15… but very often you’d be wrong.
i did a 15 that had a tank that has timed a 20. it was the most stressful run ever. i can see his pulls being used in 20’s but dangit, im over here frantically dropping all my utilities down, and offhealing myself because the healer wont keep up. healer was def more interested in doing dps. pulling 7k on boss fights somehow. the damage i was healing myself for wasnt even ‘standing in fire’ damage. just regular group damage. it wasnt very pleasant tbh.
IO doesnt measure skill or guarantees you anything. The purpose of io is to showcase someone’s experience, which in turn can play into your chances of success.
With that said we are all human and can make mistakes so the mage prob either didnt take the run seriously because hes used to much higher keys or genuinely messed up. Doesn’t mean that I support him leaving though.
One bad experience isn’t nearly enough to discredit the whole system. That mage could have made a mistake and was too embarrassed to stick around. Or, as someone else said, maybe he was just trolling. Either way, not enough evidence to come to any sort of conclusions about the system as a whole.
io may someone “fail”, but its better going in blind. i cant count the number of my keys that have been nuked by some tosspot of a player that has a high ilev
thats my point. io isnt a “this person is ganna make you finish your key” addon, its a “this persons adravge clear is X”. you still need to use common sences when picking people tho
like if you pick a healer but when they join is a dps spec and dosnt say anything about it (or only when your about to start) then its ganna be a rough time with them and is better to pick someone elce
I was in a mists with a high io boomie yesterday who accidentally pulled an extra group on the first pull. S/he apologized and said they were just used to pulling that group first. S/he stuck around and we finished the key.
Stuff happens. Io isn’t a guarantee. Neither is ilvl or any other at-a-glance metric you can quickly use when forming your group. But it’s a piece of information that assists in reducing your risk of failure. That’s it.
Personally I like number of timed runs more than the io score itself. I also look at their highest timed key of the dungeon we’re running. Still not foolproof, but it’s the best information we have.
Speaking from experience with a fire mage alt, you can’t cancel a scorch by moving if you already pushed the button, and the spell has a super short cast time. Unless the mage was aware he pushed scorch AND used a stopcast macro, the scorch would have hit the mob that was incorrectly targeted no matter what.
I mean you shouldn’t take IO seriously anyways. Did a 16 the other day for weekly with two ragnaros players, one at 1015 and the other at like 1080 or something. Almost two chested it, I feel like the more you care about io the more “invisible” obstacle you will see while climbing. In reality a lot of the times when you accept that 1080 io person into the group they are super appreciative of it and will do their ABSOLUTE best to make sure they don’t disappoint you, as they know you had better options in LFG. So my experience is that these people tend to perform overall consistently at a better rate compared to that super high ego inflated io player.
Io has never claimed to do that.
All it does is show you people’s experience.
If you think it doesn’t work then I challenge anyone else to do what I did in bfa and make a few pugs without using it.
I went 100% off ilvl accepting anyone with an ilvl close to the loot of the key I was doing.
In 2 attempts we managed to kill only 1 boss and a few packs of trash.
It’s the score itself that creates the illusion of safety.
I think IO is great, but the less I use the score, and more I pay attention to the applicants history, the better it becomes.
The problem is lots of people blindly follow the score instead of considering the wider context. It’s easy to look at a score but it’s harder to consider what runs each player has done, understand their motivation for applying for your key, and so on.
The score is not enough information, on its own, to make the correct judgement.
there’s also how +20 people pull thing a tad differently than +15 people. It maybe the same dungeon but how people pull on higher keys at most times significantly different. But yea the mage is either trolling or have been doing high keys that he lost touch on how the mid keys are pulled. I’d say it’ll be the same for us if we doing +7 keys where things we’re used to you dont see them happen on those key level (eg. interrupt the important stuff)