I don’t think player voting would be close to a good thing in this situation. Especially with this community. Cliques have formed, and popular streamers would wind up getting more votes than anybody, and honestly, I don’t think streamers - or anybody who can make real money off a game - needs to have their voices amplified.
Being able to screen applicants, then watch their discussions in an actually moderated space would provide a lot of more relevant feedback. I’m pretty sure they’re already aware that places like GD are awful, because people will try to leave feedback about their experiences and get derailed by trolls saying x or y isn’t happening, or derail entire threads to be about something else - or themselves - entirely.
I’m excited to see this, honestly. I do have concerns about them requiring particular types of community contributions. I know several people, including myself, who don’t produce outward content for the community anymore after years of toxicity.
I do hope the devs put this into consideration when going through selections.
There’s a number of people I’ve played with through the years who’ve done some amazing feedback on beta, but they don’t produce “content”, and even my own major contributions are long gone because the beta forums aren’t kept around.
Also, Cody brought up the old don’ttalkaboutit forums, and I think it does need to be talked about too. Feedback there was ignored, much to the point of a large bout of drama a while back. I’m hoping this means that feedback won’t be dismissed?
Man, if I could actually sit down and discuss stuff like faction imbalance without it being brigaded and trolled, I’d likely have put out some deep-dive discussions and concept work to help. Or if I could talk about casual PvP rewards without having people come in and start demanding that 2500+ players need more, and having stuff that high is what’ll encourage ladder participation over requests for more grind based rewards for everybody.
But, it’s literally impossible on the forums. People mask their trolling, or get freakishly petty about their biases.
I do often wonder if they actually dealt with these problems here, they’d be able to just use the regular forums for feedback in general.
This is very cool and along with the new steps being taken in 9.1.5, it gives me a bit of hope for the future. A bit. I am still VERY cautious in my optimism and trust has to be earned back. But I give you credit for this.
I did say that being selected vs elected wasn’t a better/worse thing. Frankly, it’s an issue with Eve’s CSM where some people representing groups were basically freebies and not all playstyles being represented as much.
But I don’t really play Eve that much. Just for a short bit every few years, I just happened to be around for the last election for their “council of players”.
I think selecting does a better job of making sure you cover your bases really. If they follow through on trying to select people who do represent things well of course. We’ll have to see how it shakes out here.
Hopefully it can be people who know listening to feedback doesn’t necessarily mean agreeing or acting on it. But in a limited scope environment maybe that’ll allow conversations and explaining why they disagree with whatever the selected players say. I’d say that’s an important thing to keep in mind.
THey need to take those that are willing to thrash as well as those that agree or it is just going to be the same old Blizz. If it ends up only being people that agree with them it will be the same old thing over and over . Different view points are always a good thing .
And I was honest about the last question. I can’t provide links to guides or videos I’ve made, machinimas, cosplays, or anything like that.
However, I basically said that if you are only planning on taking people that CAN provide such things, you’re (Blizzard) not going to get the kind of feedback you really NEED from the community.
Honest discussion requires hearing the negatives as well as the positives, and I think if they only take content creators of various types, they are only going to create an echo chamber in which they only hear what they want to hear and not any sort of meaningful feedback.
the fact that they require ‘contributions’ to the community means they have eliminated casuals - casuals are not so wrapped up in the community to stream, etc.
No, but they aren’t accepting “all” of anyone. I would expect they take some casusals, some hardcore, and some cutting-edge. I put hardcore, but I don’t expect to get picked; but I’m sure someone that shares my viewpoint will. And I hope that if you don’t get picked, they have someone that fills your point of view as well.
We don’t really agree with many things on the forums, but I think both of us should have a say in the evolution of the game.
The why is what matters here, especially if it’s presented in a way that isn’t “you don’t know what you’re doing” - which has sadly happened in the past, and is why so many people harbour animosity right now, myself included.
I know in the past, stuff like player housing, also had a why attached to it’s denial, but in modern MMORPGs, such features actually put people out into the world because they’re busy doing stuff for their housing. These sorts of discussions do need to be reopened without fast dismissal like what’s happened in the past.
I’m trying to hold out hope here though.
I think it really is just going to come down to who gets in, just as much as the devs listen to them.
No, not ALL. Watch the video they posted though. They are looking for people that do all kinds of content. There will be at least a few casual/solo players in that forum somewhere (at least according to them).
Updated the list of examples with “Steam, website, guides, gallery, videos, forum posts, feedback on game discussions, etc.”
Keep in mind these are just examples. It’s a fairly open question where you can list any kind of contributions to the community on whatever platform you like to use.
I mean this is geared towards influencers like asmongold and so forth going off the app in the link, not really for common players that want to share their opinions honestly. Like why not make it more open, over basically having to apply for a job it seems like seeing as the last set of questions are blatantly geared towards the types that make their lively hoods out of WoW. With the latter being mods and so forth of WoW related discords that mostly will only represent a small portion of the community overall. That you will be cherry picking at the end of it all which I’m unsure of how much of what will accomplish.
I missed my chance to grow my forum presence with an alt with a silly name. Councilman Ducksounds…ahh what could have been. (Ducksounds is my abandoned classic forsaken rogue)
