RIGHT seriously listen to the players
I submitted / humbly seek entrance, and look forward to how this goes whether I’m in the thick of it or not.
We have to act like “we” more and “the community” cannot just be everyone extroverted enough to be willing to push Big Content on a list of all those places you asked after.
You didn’t ask the converse question all that well, what are the small things I’ve done to try to make the game better for anyone?
THE RESULTING FORUMS maybe should cover why we liked what we liked and why we disliked what we didn’t… because every time it feels like I got happy with some element, off to the races it went to go be “better” for someone else.
the vulcans aren’t from Azeroth but I want more IDIC in this - differences kept for fun too. It’s, um, only logical.
We need more things that offer “better” without crushing the spirits of people who got good at or liked some stuff we already had.
Not sure if I fully grasp the idea of including “contribution” as a criteria in the selection process, but I do want to point out that not everyone that plays WOW is going to contribute greatly to WOW, since WOW is really just a game after all and many are casual players.
The last thing I want to see is that all selected player on the Council are All “Influencers” or some “hardcore players” cuz they got so much more time than an average player, and might not represent/understand the need of casual players which are large in number and many of them are loyal player to WOW that turned casual because of more duties in real life, myself included.
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That’s why I suggested ONE player from each playstyle they’re seeking representation for should be player elected/endorsed.
I feel like if they pre define some buckets for “type of player” then I am guaranteed to be absent from their list.
Casual?
Heck, I play more hours of wow than some people are allowed to work a paid job in a week.
Hardcore?
Real life comes first bub, which is why there may be a week here or there when I’m really just not on. Also I run a D&D game and have to prep my own stuff. I have other hobbies. I love my coffee. I’m super fond of WoW but it’s not my only life.
Raider? I’ve played one here or there. Nowadays the “looking for” UI feels useless to find me people I would feel like a team with. I miss being able to learn tactics for the late-end stuff via normal other stuff, I miss feeling useful if I’m anything less than freaking max enchanted and bloody perfect. BEEN a raider, but no, I’m not a modern raider.
Roleplay? some, a little, but no, I’m not running Immersive mod. OTOH i do actually read quest text. I dunno.
hopefully taking care to balance it properly
Man, there’s been like 10 versions of D&D and most folk only heard of 3 or 4 of them. Every single one that wanted to optimize for one thing put a sharp bleedy stick in the ribs of other things.
There will ALWAYS be tradeoffs.
Or you could get get people to help remove bot’s BUT i guess you’d have to pay them and we can’t have that now can we
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As combative as I find this comment as a whole, it raises a very good point. “Casual” players are some of the most “hardcore” in terms of time sunk into the game, and the subs that stick around between players who are only interested in doing current progression then unsubbing till the next progression.
“What the ‘casuals’ want that will keep them playing” is probably more important than ever, right now.
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I’m not talking about appropriate as in polite. I’m talking every other argument will be because someone used the wrong pronoun when discussing a bugged character. There will also be constant arguments over whether a person bringing up a problem will be declared racist for considering it a problem. Half will be promoting deleting half of the game for being “woke”, the other half will be promoting deleting half of the game for being “conservative propaganda”. All will be kissing the devs asses so as to not appear “troublesome”. No real work will ever be accomplished.
If the council is done thoughtfully, addressing any more content that complicates rl feelings will be left for much further down the road after all the things that larger chunks of people are actually leaving the game over have been addressed.
I’m not saying that social issue discussion isn’t needed (like I think it’s important to say that a story about war shouldn’t be too watered down because war stories are hard stories - they make us confront issues like racism and other prejudices And how wars have been started over less), but I think actual gameplay that feels bad is a much bigger detractor from the game right now than an admittedly hot discussion over whether a dusty painting in the back corner of Karazhan celebrates women’s bodies or objectifies them and what the difference is.
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I am sorry you feel that the current culture is at odds with your political ideology. I am certain that that makes forums of public discussion difficult places to engage in meaningful conversations. But I personally am of a mind that I would rather be inconvenienced myself than potentially hurt others. Pronouns do matter to a lot of people on both sides of the debate or else it would not be such incite such firebrand reactions.
However, I do not think anyone is hoping that the point of this council is an exercise in “wokeness.” While diverse views and perspectives will no doubt be appreciated, the idea that the council will spend the whole time discussing pronouns is a bit ludicrous and conspiratorial. We are talking about the game, and I while if I were on the council, I would push for more representation within the game so that more people can see themselves reflected in it the way I do as a white cis man, that is not the only thing I, or even the most intense “bluehair” would want to discuss.
We are all fans of the game trying to make the game as good as it possibly can be. No one is trading raid tiers for pronouns.
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so exactly how do we know if we’re chosen for council or not? and will we get a proper explanation if we are denied?
I expect there wont be notifications until the new council forum goes live, and at that point if someone doesnt get an email that day it’s better luck next year.
Tbh, they should’ve heard out preach and everyone else during the beta when they were pointing out so much that they felt was going to be abysmal. I hope that they extend this voice to him as well, even if he doesn’t apply.
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They should have, and they have uncharacteristically owned up to some of it. Maybe that is a sign that they are actually ready to listen this time?
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I just hope this helps Because goodness knows blizzard really needs to do more communicating.
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I know I applied I haven’t gone to response back but who knows right
With the MVPs in 2018 it was a very long process, starting from (if memory serves) about 1300 applications, eventually narrowed down over 3-4 phases to the list above. I’m sure this will be similar as far as having to narrow the lists down for this new program.
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I really love this, and I’m sorry I didn’t see this thread until after I posted this on another thread. Forgive the repost, but I think it’s important.
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It’s just a PR stunt, honestly i don’t have big issue with the game in general as it is. It could be better but its whatever.
What I really dislike about Blizzard is using players as a reason to push their agenda.
- We have censored all these old content because we believe it may not be suitable for some “players”.
They have literally never asked anyone if they were offended and the vast majority of players couldn’t care less.
- We are creating the community forum so we can better communicate with the “players”.
Again, the “players” have been beta testing your games for years, the “players” have provided some very detailed and constructive feedback (ignoring all the trolls and haters) on these forums for it to be completely ignored.
So i don’t believe for even a second that Blizzards intention is to communicate with the players. Other than the 100 players that they have handpicked no one else amongst the 1 mil+ subscribers opinions matter right?
The game itself isn’t what it use to be and im ok with that but all this other BS agendas that they’re pushing using “players” as an excuse is just really pathetic and sad.
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I really NOT okay that the game isnt what it used to be.
Blizzard has added features, systems, and content types that have directly facilitated a toxic environment in the game. Things really need to be stripped back (and a few things, like the guild finder, need to be much more robust) to a place where players NEED to treat one another decently and just plain NEED to be social. This is an MMO, which lives or dies on its community, and Blizzard has been systematically destroying that community since Late Wrath of the Lich King.
We dont just need Blizzard ACTUALLY communicating with players. We need players communicating with players IN GAME.
While I can understand people wanting to be anonymous I feel it should at least be an opt in if you are willing to show your character. Personally I don’t see what good it is to keep council members hidden unless they want to. Much like representatives IRL people should know if someone is being effective or not. For example, if you say nothing then what is the point of you being on the council? If you have extremely unpopular opinions how can you be there representing the community (for example saying you think everything should be a 20 hour+ grind)?
I think transparency is important for this council, especially since people can be reelected (so to speak) to the council.
I do agree that streamers (especially bigger ones) aren’t what this council should have since they already have their own outlet and have influence outside of the council, as well as indirect impact by having influence on councilors.