How about you understand the intent behind my statement there, greenie. I’m saying if the quality of MVP is anything to go off of, then the quality of “community council member” is going to be just as bad.
Case in point.
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So they do read. That’s nice to know. We just want a place to reciprocate. That’s what I’m hoping this is and it remains visible.
Truth be told, outside of getting to use the toxic waste font and slight superiority complexes, most of us have no idea why the MVP program exists simply because it has never shown any value outside of being an official clique.
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Have a feeling this will just end up being another “twitch council”
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Whats so hard about providing three links to posts you have made discussing the game (outside of the usual “Blizz sucks!”) You dont have to be “a famous player” 
to have contributed to some discussion. If I were looking for a group of people to contribute to game discussions I wouldnt mind having a couple of examples of said person having a legit discussion about the game.
Post 666. 
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This seems like PR/damage control and nothing more. You had tons of feedback; PTR, Alphas, Beta testing periods you have forums. The issue is not a “feedback venue” but developers who honestly a. respond and b. take action.
Blizzard has show that it will allow players to discuss the issues ad nauseum, and then when finally faced with a dramatic loss of subscribers then they finally take action on recommendations that were laid out over a year ago.
You had councils before; you didn’t appear to listen to them then… what confidence should we have that you are going to change?
Anyone who was around when your Core values were reflected in the product have left.
Gameplay first - look at Shadowlands. Systems that were distinctly counter to this principle and were NOT FUN.
Commitment to quality - this is always subject to debate. I’ve seen it in other areas of industry where software is inherited and you question if the new programmers even understand the code or the impact the changes made will have. You see this often with the constant class changes that breaks or creates the FOTM.
Play nice, play fair - like selling WoW tokens while your staff, who creates the tokens creates the demand while selling boosts. At least you attempted to right that ship but boosting; should be requested vice advertised similar to FFXIV (personal opinion)
Embrace your inner geek - to the geek lore matters; writing matters; characters matter. You need to take a closer look at the vast amounts of criticism presented in these regards.
Every voice matters - unless you give feedback in beta, forums, previous councils. If you took the time to listen; vice stand on hills not worth dying over; you would not even be in this predicament again and again.
Learn and grow - Legion, BFA, and now Shadowlands. Did you learn from previous criticism or did you double down. Developers move on; but is Blizzard “growing” in new ideas, new content… or are you just giving us more “resurrected” and “classic 2.0” moneygrabs. “Hey we need a new race!! Lets just dip an elf in ink and call it done”
Doesn’t seem new or fresh.
Think globally - Laughable. Your biggest market is crushing free speech, democracy, has slave labor and you kow tow to the Chinese.
Lead responsibly. When I was in the Navy. I had simple mantra. Every space, every face, every day. I knew who my people were. I knew the condition of the spaces I was responsible for. It wasn’t a periodic concern. Blizzard no longer leads they react; they are surpised that a fratboy culture exists when all you had to do was walk the development floor and talk to your people. Surprises come from a distinct lack of leadership. You are focused on the wrong things.
I’ll give the new council the benefit of the doubt; but with the appearance of focus on bottom line vice core values.
Seems like Blizzard’s anthem should be:
“I’ll tip my hat to the new constitution
Take a bow for the new revolution
Smile and grin at the change all around me
And the world looks just the same
And history ain’t changed
'Cause the banners, they are flown in the next war
Meet the new boss same as the old boss”
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I believe that anything a company can do to try to filter down the firehose of feedback to meaningful, constructive, and detailed is a good thing. Blizzard is trying to right the ship at the moment and is reaching out for support.
I choose to help.
This is a good idea, but only if the community council is actually listened to. If the developers don’t actually listen to the community council, and if they continue designing the game in spite of their playerbase, this won’t matter at all whatsoever.
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It is difficult to trust this proposal when you are the ones who are going to elect our representatives and not ourselves. Honestly, this sounds more like marketing than anything else.
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Admittedly, random selection could be really bad and unrepresentative of certain aspects of the game, while letting anyone into the program would be problematic because the devs would have too many people at once trying to talk directly with them.
Shill squad inbound
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Greetings new account! I have a question for you. What sort of communication style do you think would be effective for Council members?
Profanity, yelling, insulting? Statements that “everything sucks”?
Coherent feedback that says why something is not fun and what would be more interesting? Stating what mechanics are terrible and why.
I personally find that being able to constructively convey what is wrong and why gets far more results than being abusive.
That makes a person a shill right? If they are not angry and insulting?
What do you think would be effective?
Hello, I see you posted in the council thread. I agree, being mean is wrong and mean comments should be disregarded. I do find it strange though that they are requesting feedback though this tiny council, and it is tiny as it’s like, what, 100 people, but seem perfectly fine completely disregarding feedback on multiple issues over the course of more than a year. The changes in 9.1.5 were good, but it appears they only happened due to the massive loss of player numbers in the game. (Wanted to reinforce this thought with the fact when these issues were brought up over and over, we were told we were wrong) There are more than 100 people by a massive margin that have been begging for PvP gearing changes since Shadowlands launched and not a single Blue has responded.
I’m not sure, maybe you should tell me!
Thanks for your post and have a great day!
I look forward to the echo chamber it will ultimately turn into. Should provide some temporary amusement.
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I think we (or I) mostly just assumed that was the point. Not necessarily talking to them directly as if you were buds, but posting to some forum they could see, or aggregating community data, etc.
Otherwise, “what exactly would you say you do here?” (office space).
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No, that does not exist and never has. What we can do is talk to the Community Managers, that is it. The idea that being green gives “access” is something many of us have tried to dispel for years. You get turned green - and that is pretty much it. No coms with devs, no special channels to give feedback to Devs. Nothing… Well, Blizzcon usually you get to meet a few Devs.
Mostly MVPs are supposed to be constructive, engage in discussions, answer questions on the forums, etc. There is no compensation, no set hours, no set engagement requirements. It is not a job.
This is the generic explanation they use for the Community Program
There is only a Community MVP program for SC2 and WoW still. No other games have it anymore.
There is also the Tech Support/Customer Support MVP program who can talk to the blues on the CS forum. Those folks (including me) mostly read WinMTRs, share updates after Blues post, explain policy, help folks navigate the ticket system, etc etc.
Both will appear as greens so you see people from both programs posting around the various forums.
Because the current forums are filled with whingers who are full of hyperbole and spite.
Far better to curate a space where there’s at least some semblance of constructive feedback and sanity.
Well, similar idea, with a middle-man.
Collect data, bring it to the attention to CM’s, with the intent that they will in turn relay to the devs. That was my assumption anyways.
Got it.
Hello, I see you posted in the thread. I agree, the last thing we need are people like this in the community council:
Thanks for your post and have a wonderful day!
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You are on this council, but we do not grant you the rank of master.
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