Lol arena players look down on RBG heroes that get their rating only in RBG where bad players are easily carried. Just letting you know its not a respected bracket, similar to 5v5, incase you didn’t know. Lots of pve players dip their toes into 5v5/RBGs for point cap and never do 2s/3s lol falls into that category of is he a good player or did his team pull dead weight who knows lets /spit on him “oh nice 2k achievement sitting farm every game all game”
People like that shaman Wafectus want rating requirements to be gone so he can do bgs in full bis gear instead of idk earning it. Hes’ been complaining about earning arena rating all xpac. Epitome of clueless casual. TBC & WOTLK have arena rating requirements it’s not a big deal if you have a goal of improving & learning. Cata fixes this issue by offering cosmetic gear locked behind rating instead of upgrades
We’ve been saying the 2 tier gap and arena rating reqs are completely dogwater game design since wrath launched. Their response was to instead of fixing the problem to add fake rating inflation which created a whole new host of issues.
They haven’t listened now and frankly I don’t expect them to do anything until 99% of the arena population has quit.
Make honor gear furious, and remove all ratings reqs from main set. Make the 252 furious weapon 1800 and make the 258 relentless weapon 2000. Throw the 245 relentless weapon on there for 1500. 238 furious goes to the honor vendor. Price the arena weapons accordingly, the 1500 weapon should be dirt cheap, and the 1800 weapon only a bit more.
Ideally require the previous weapon to buy the new one at a large discount to encourage people to spend their points. Say each upgrade requires the previous weapon + 500 points.
It might even be better to push the 258 weapon down to 1800 to even further encourage new people to try arena. The effort required to get a 258 weapon out of raid is infinitely easier than doing arena anyway.
Boom, I just increased arena participation tenfold. This is coming from a 6x glad who gets all the gear every season. I’d rather have more people playing them some imaginary clout that doesn’t matter in a 20 year old game.
Possible we may see a repeat of the end of TBC with Brutal but for wrathful this time. I think that would be the closest thing to what the OP is suggesting.
I mean it as someone who can get the rewards easily. I’m saying the rating requirements as stupid.
If I was some 1500 guy who couldn’t get anything what I’m saying wouldn’t mean as much. And obtain doesn’t mean viable gear. Go farm out that deadly set and see how quickly you get stomped down.
People claiming not having current season PvP gear is “holding them back” or whatever is entirely cope. As if the 12 stamina, 8 agility, and 4 resil is going to be the difference.
The difference between deadly and relentless is 38 item levels.
For example, going from deadly to relentless pants is 50 spell power. The stats you’re thinking of are the TBC difference between gear sets, which was infinitely closer than the difference that exist now.
If you think 50 SP from a single item, let alone the other stats “isn’t important” then you obviously do not play arena and shouldn’t be giving an input.
Are you wearing full Relentless already? That’s insane, I only have 2 pieces, give me the catch up gear!
Coming from the perspective of someone that barely does arena at all, I just haven’t really had an issue with PvP gear. I bought the Furious pieces I was missing from last season with ToGC emblems and I’m almost “PvP BiS”. VoA is still there as an RNG catch-up too, could win the lotto and get 4 weeks worth of arena gear for free instantly.
The arena needs many changes but I don’t see any of those in this thread, just another entitled person asking for better welfare gear. I suggest going back to retail which probably welfares the best gear in the game these days.
I see so higher personal rating equals more qualified answers? then if that’s the case I’d prefer to not hand out the PvP gear to anyone as a ticket to arenas. The system in place is there for a reason.
Retail pvp gear has okay pve stats. But even full 5/5 of …we aren’t taking any decent players spots in a raid really.
Retail pvp gear does shoot up ilevel real nice in pvp however.
one could game open world to run it faster with warmode. but not many care since its open world. At this point no cares if you run caverns faster. Many would be wondering how bored you are to be in them in the first place really.
Hop in raid/mythic D…the gear is meh vice anyone who has actually worked the retail systems to upgrade.
Retails hosed a few things. This though works kind of decent imo.
+1 only because I can only vote once, if I could rig the system you would get +1000
IMO… Do all of what you’re saying, and a few more things.
Remove rating req from T1 armor and weapons.
Buff all T1 weapons and Armor to the T2 item level. The T2 will retain its unique look and Rating requirement.
Make Q’n for “Random” BG’s reward 25 arena point per win on every game.
Make the Rando BG “quest mission dailies” award 100 Arena points per (200 per day).
Add some unique tabards that unlock and various Arena Rating mile stones. Stuff like 1850, 2000, 2200, 2400, etc, etc, perhaps even add some battle standards that can be used for BG’s and world PVP.
The use of doing this it that it opens Arena participation up to new players that way they have gear to PVP in, and the playing field is far better in terms of “Fair”.
You’re a fool, Alphonce is an excellent play who I have had the joy of doing battle VS on many occasions in Retail over the years when he still played actively. I can say without the shadow of a doubt he’s a far better player than you are.
What you’re missing is that he’s actually trying to help the Arena community that he actually cares about.
You on the other hand are clinging to your gate keeping crap like a tool who’s not good enough to win his matches without item level advantages; assuming you can even reach T2.
maybe i’m in a bubble, barely know any pve’ers who enjoy bg’s at all
if these BG enjoyers were actually capping 10 games to get gear for BGs, the ladder wouldn’t be in shambles. even with rating gates, they would still place on the ladder by getting to 1000 for boots and belt. we’re not even seeing that now
“oh nice 2k achievement sitting farm every game all game”
then if that’s the case I’d prefer to not hand out the PvP gear to anyone as a ticket to arenas. The system in place is there for a reason.