Oh I really don’t doubt that it feels miserable. In bgs as a healer, when you don’t get focused, you get cc chained. Most of the time, I don’t have to suffer through that as a dps, but some other times, you end in a game where you pissed off a shaman and his windwalker monk friend, and you get purged spammed while being chased around. May as well just be spamming ice lances, because that’s all I’ll be able to cast.
Frost nova is a joke. It lasts as long as my global cooldown, since everyone seems to have a a quick way to dispel it instantly. It’s just a cooldown trader. If you blink after a frost nova, it means you’re not dispelling a stun, and so that’s a bad move, because the monk will dash you, and then use a stun that you’ll be forced to trinket. In a 1 vs 1 situation, it takes a little while until I’m able to actually get a frostbolt cast. So in situations where I have to deal with more than one player who didn’t forget they have an interrupt, I won’t be able to do much of anything.
Shimmer’s nice. It allows you to get a more reliable sheep cast. But when you use shimmer, stuns become insanely strong against you, as a mage, and you’re no longer able to move while casting using ice floes.
Anyway, ima stop trying to explain how to play frost mage. It’s not like you’ve probably ever lost to one either. So I don’t know why you’re here pretending we’re amazing or something, because we’re not.
A global lasting as long as a global that 8second roots someone and lets you create distance? CRAZY!
I’ve literally never heard of a frost mage complaining about kicks, you have every tool available to you just as a mage alone, and frost just amplifies that so much more. Play better is literally the best way to explain it to you.
And yeah, I’ve never lost to a frost mage, but I also play with good players and against good players, so we understand everything we need to look for, making things like frost mage harder to pull up. Against lower rated players and casuals? You should have 0 issues doing your BASICS of frost mage to avoid getting kicked and pop off. Especially considering frost mage in BGs is free real estate to not getting touched.
My experience playing frost mage for the entire Shadowlands expansion leads me to believe that a gust of wind is able to break frost nova. And also, you have to cast it near-melee range. And so, most melee classes have some kind of ranged incapacitating effect. DH, Monks, Rogues, Warriors, Dk, paladins, everyone has one. And most of them also have several ways of breaking it without using a trinket. And then feral druids just laugh at roots and at anything in the frost mage kit.
I really don’t think you have any idea of how weak the class feels when against some dk’s or purge-spamming shamans. I’ll change my mind, once you get me in touch with those pro frost mage friends of yours. I could use their wisdom.
Also, anything that requires “fakecasting” is just terrible design. I doubt you’d enjoy it if you had to fake melee attack at the risk of being disarmed for 6 sec everytime you try to attack, with no diminish return. And those character with disarm can be in range or melee, and some of them have a short duration disarm, but the cooldown of the ability is short! You’d spend the entire battleground fake attacking while getting absolutely murdered by some hunter who’s shooting you from miles away.
Uh. I’ve played with a mage for almost 7 years now in both RBGs & arenas and I frequently play frost on my mage because it’s the only spec I can tolerate playing.
Just because you choose to play like garbage doesn’t mean that your spec doesn’t have all the tools available to you to answer the problems you’re facing.
“Fakecasting is terrible design” is another terrible concept, every caster in the world that’s even remotely decent at their class understands that if you can fakecast a kick, then you’ve punished them and have free reign following that. Just because, again, you choose to play bad doesn’t mean that you don’t have every answer for it.
Also here’s the game changing thing mages have in all 3 specs that counters everything but druids.
POLYMORPH
Press it.
And it’s crazy, when I play my frost mage I have 0 issues casting… Weird. Perhaps I’m justlucky and not everyone is targetting me? Or maybe I’m making sure that I distance myself from the nearest threat and setup my blizzard/orb and use my wele to keep gaps while I space it out with blinks, poly and frequent frostbolt casts.
So to reiterate this wall of text;
Stop being bad.
Considering they got it in 60 wins with nearly no PVP experience and make posts like ‘get rid of interrupts’ isn’t really that sus, going to just say they bought it.
Well when you are so unbelievably bad that apparently you literally cannot play a battleground, I guess you buy a carry. And then “top damage” with 'RIDICULOUS STATS" with your duelist gear that you bought whilst also apparently not being allowed to play
Yeah, it’s a real shame that someone can’t buy a 20k HP advantage on most of the people they queue against, and then also have them defenseless so they can 123 key everyone to death without ever having to move their toon. lol
I’ll be honest…as a warrior main in BC who PVP BG ALOT. I get a sick bit of pleasure seeing warriors finally giving mages the L. All those times of being frozen and never able to land a hit…>_>
威嚇する ohoh I shall approach u! 威嚇する
So why are you so angry at me randomly? I don’t think I’ve insulted you once. You know you can disagree without insulting, and then perhaps people would start listening to you, and you would be less angry.
I never said I don’t fakecast, because I do, in fact, I do it a lot, and it’s not exactly fun to do. I know how to polymorph. I macro focus target to sneak polymorph casts on high value targets. And I have a stopcast binded. There’s no doubt I could position myself better sometimes, but at some point, you have to be ridiculously good to predict that you’re being targetted by a hunter or a warlock while you’re already targetting some rogue on top of you, while focusing on the priest to make sure to lock a cast.
The reality, is that against good players, you have to deal with insane amount of pressure. And it’s a fact that casting becomes incredibly tedious. You are not doing much damage by just casting frozen orb, and hoping for some fingers of frost procs.
Anyway, let me know who’s this frost mage friend of yours. I’m always trying to learn ways to improve. And don’t give me this bs about “You’re hopeless” or whatever. Because then I’ll know that you’re just a joke, and I’ll just mute you for good without thinking twice.
I can’t play BG, but my bg stats are all in the positive. Most of them at 60%+, and several of them above 70%. I think you’re just being a little bit jealous that I’ve been able to accomplish what you have without spamming games like you.
I think whoever removed deep freeze, and made frost nova so incredibly weak was also a warrior who was tired of being locked in place XD… As a frost mage, I have to think of myself as some kind of sniper. If I become under pressure, I have to use my abilities to escape and relocate. I think my issue is that I’m hoping the spec would be more proactive.
You’re an undead priest who has never bothered playing shadow, I really don’t think you’re as good as you think. Just keep jumping around while spamming instant heals while believing this somehow makes you a good player. At least if you were shadow, you’d understand that it’s not fun at all when you’re end up being locked out of shadow repeatedly during a fight. But, they don’t have it as bad as frost spec, which relies on fishing for procs with frost bolts.
Thanks =)
I honestly wouldn’t mind if nearly all the interrupts were removed, with the game mostly balanced around healing reduction effects, and properly timed cc duration reduction abilities. I would bring back ranks for healing spells, to put much more emphasis on mana management. And playing a caster (who has to hard cast spells) wouldn’t feel nearly as clunky.
Holy moly this. Where are these people when I queue? I get the mages who will cut dps after getting scratched and blink 30 yds behind healers using them as their tank. Then once the healer inevitably dies, the mage promptly follows. Whereas if the mage had moved forward soaking the first focus, both the mage and the healer would have survived the opposition’s burst long enough to counter.
I’ve been pushing RBGs with a team for the last few months. I honestly can’t go back to solo queueing randoms. It’s too frustrating most of the time =b
