Interesting WC run

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So, I’ve been leveling some alts lately.

My most recent creation is an Undead female mage whom is incapable of speaking due to the stitches holding her mouth shut. The trick is only being in character around certain individuals. Not everyone appreciates the mute undead angle.

Anyways, I was questing in Barrens at level 17 last night. And a handful of us wanted to run WC, even though we were all level 17, except for the level 24 Mage, and the level 20 Shaman.

This means that our tank is also level 17. Usually this is an issue for tanking a dungeon, but we decided to see how far we could get.

Me and the high level mage had a connection right off. And we both noticed the same thing, at the same time… the tank wasn’t using sunder armor.

We mentioned that it would help a lot to hold threat. But what the tank says next surprises the hell out of me…

“I didn’t train sunder armor.”

Now, this makes me start thinking, as I had just recently started leveling a warrior whom is currently level 23. But this gives me enough knowledge to know what skill a warrior ought to have at level 17. And Sunder Armor is definitely one of those skills.

But then it also occurs to me… the warrior hasn’t been changing stances. And not like he’s sitting in Defensive stance, no no. He’s been using charge, meaning he’s in Battle Stance.

We question him about it, mentioning that if he doesnt have Sunder Armor, then he must not have Taunt, or Defensive stance either. This is red flag number one.

That’s not even the worst part. This character was clearly funded by his main, because he’s using a 1-hander enchanted with fiery. But the 1-hander is a white quality fist weapon doing 10-18 dmg with a 1.4 weapon speed. I understand that he’s gaining rage by using a quicker weapon, but he cant even dump that rage with Sunder Armor, because he didn’t bother to do his level 10 class quest.

Now, I almost can’t take the guy seriously, and so I decide to inspect his gear again, and you know what I see?

His chest ‘armor’ isn’t armor at all. He’s wearing an armor less robe that’s enchanted with +100 health. He’s litteraly wearing regular clothing for his chest, while the rest of his stuff is the typical green quality gorrila/bear pieces.

He also starts telling us how we ought to play, like that we should always sheep the moon, and that we can use WotF to break the sleep that the druids cast. He also mentions that he was able to tank WC on his Rogue no problem, which just seemed like his form of justifying the no tank abilities thing.

Surprisingly, we got decently fair. Killed 3 of the serpent lords, and only wiped once during it. But honestly, that’s probably because the tank was incapable of keeping threat, and all the damage got divided between the entire party. Thankfully us two mages were capable of freezing and kiting when necessary. But then we get to right before Serpentis. We pull too many packs, ws wipe, and the group disbands. Ther was no way we were getting past Verdan anyways.

This is probably the weirdest warrior I’ve ever seen, and the most head scratching I’ve ever done in a dungeon. (aside from Sunken Temple, which felt very much like a maze)

I’m just curious if there was something I was missing out on. Like if this is a legitimate strategy, or some weird kinda
self imposed challenge run. This was just something that I had to share and get some folks’ opinions.

I know I’ve heard stories of people pet tanking, and even using demons, but this just seemed so bizarre.

Share your thoughts, let me know what you think.

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He was just roleplaying a character that was incapable of sundering. But he should have only been in character around certain individuals. Not everyone appreciates the non-sundering tank angle.

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Darnit! I was going to say something similar :stuck_out_tongue_closed_eyes:

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Too slow, chicken marengo!

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Casts Polymorph: Pig
Oink, oink!

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So the thing you’re “missing” is people enchant gray quality items so that they can reuse them over and over again for different alts. If you equip a green, it gets bound and they can never use it again, and it won’t last long as it eventually gets updated. What he has is gear that he’s enchanted to use on multiple alts. Usually you stop using that stuff around level 20 or so. You’ll notice the same thing with spell casters. They’ll have a gray weapon with a spell power enchant. The reason his chest was a robe, was it makes sure he can use it on any kind of alt he wants, not just a Warrior. Same reason he enchanted a fist weapon, I’m assuming right handed brass knuckles.

No real excuse for the lack of training sunder or doing his defensive quest, but I’d assume since he’s twinked he’s just leveled really fast and didn’t bother yet.

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I actually know someone who refused to even do the quest for druid bear form so he could tell people he couldn’t tank, and there was no “just go in bear form” solution.

I mean, sure, it could be some RP angle or challenge or whatnot (or what Hameth above me just suggested). After all, I did a tauren shaman who was deaf to nature, couldn’t cast anything. Got him killed at level 5 when he over-pulled.

I consider it rude to impact other’s play negatively in the name of one’s own RP. My shaman would have healed someone else OOC, but not himself.

Then again, from the same RP angle - what would a group of adventurers do if one party member failed to be ready with common abilities and was ineffective at doing what the group needed? Never group with them again sounds plausible.

If you have the spoons and the patience, whisper and ask if they’re doing this on purpose or if they’re brand new and really don’t know what they’re doing.

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I think… you made up your mind about the dude and became a self fulfilling prophecy. You thought he was going to fail so you ensured that he would fail. A robe with 100 health is better than any mail chest he is going to find at that level. A white weapon with fiery enchant is better than any weapon he is likely to find too.

It’s unfortunate he didn’t have sunder, but between the fiery procs and heroic strike spam he probably put out real good single target dps/threat but you didn’t work with the group you had. Instead you “were capable of freezing and kiting when necessary”. My guess is you both did the typical mage strat of starting every group by running up and casting frost nova and cone of cold if you have trained it at that level. Don’t deny it, I won’t believe you.

There are two sides to every story. You didn’t get an ideal tank but you got one that was good enough and my gut tells me your ego made sure he never had a chance to succeed.

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Just curious … did he start saying this because people weren’t doing it and that was causing isuses? Or did he only start in on telling people what to do after they started inspecting and questioning his actions and gear?

(Not important, really. I just see it as a quick lesson in who shouldn’t group together in the future, no more, no less. I’ve got people I won’t group with because they want to speedrun, AoE cleave, and I don’t care how efficient it is, I don’t find it enjoyable. They’re fine enough players, but best grouped with others who share their style.)

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I clearly misunderstood some of the things about him.

I didn’t understand the uniqueness of being able to trade the same items between ralts for leveling purposes.

I just thought the entire situation was odd, and I wanted some poeple insight on it. I got some educated responses and it opened my eyes a little bit.

This happened after we started noticing his lack of tanking moves. I will admit, we could’ve done it more often, but I don’t think it should be necessary with every 2-3 mob pulls though.

Over all, we were patient with the guy. We waited until he had gotten the chain quest from TB ready. We used his advice when it was brought up, and nobody outright insulted or attacked one another.

Truth be told I’m glad we could all get some xp, and a couple of quests done.

Thanks for the info, and responding to the post. I learned a lot from what everyone had to say.

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At low level, I think +100 hp to chest on cloth is better than a slight armor upgrade. Anyhow your story is why I’ve tanked all of classic. A monkey can heal, a monkey can DPS, but what a monkey can’t do is tank. 90% of the tanks I’ve ever met have no idea how tanking even works. So in short, if you can’t trust someone to do the job for you, do it yourself.

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You were not paying attention to your threat and pulled aggro causing wipes. You should have been booted.

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I mean, there’s so many things that could have been going on here.

Obviously with 2 mages, it shouldn’t matter if you had a tank or not, and with a level 22 Shaman, that is even more the case.

Have a look at Elite’s Warrior Tanking Guide:

And take it from there :slight_smile:

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I’m just going to say that no level 17 warrior is holding threat off a level 24 mage. Especially on enemies higher level than him…

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