Nah, mages can stuff it. Let someone else shine for once.
Mage tears are delicious. Also…
Fire mages did very well in high end content.
I didn’t know level 25 is high end content.
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I see you’re a warrior main then and obvious caster hater.
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That’s changing the argument. I can’t complain about casters because they have always been the worst apparently, and I can’t compare level 60 experience to level 25 either.
Your argument is casters just have to accept being bad because it’s always been this way or it’s just level 25.
In reality, you don’t want casters to do well so your favorite class, likely warrior, will remain on top. I just want better balance and better gameplay experience not for mages to be the best.
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Its both. If a warrior is 100 at 25 and a mage is a 40 at 25, then a warrior is a 100 at 60 and a mage is an 80 at 60. Mages will catch up, but warriors still win no matter what. You can’t change that, it’s just how things are.
Also you’re over estimating what a damage meter/warcraft logs shows fire mages doing in classic. You’re referring to the one mage in the raid who claims the rolling ignite. Whoopee, that mage absorbed damage numbers from 5+ other mages and is now almost as good as a single warrior on paper.
Meanwhile the mages who didn’t benefit from the rolling ignite were waaaaaay down on the meters where the sun don’t shine.
Warcraft logs changed it and were still competitive with rogues and sometimes beat warriors. they weren’t F tier like they are now.
Also, Blizzard has been balancing classes every week. There is no reason why classes have to be balanced exactly how they were in classic.
Warriors just feel entitled to be the best for whatever reason. I’m asking for better balance and gameplay experience not nerf warriors to the ground. I think that is a reasonable expectation in a new game mode. Your argument feels like entitlement.
Also, warriors wouldn’t be nearly as good without world buffs. THey could completely change World buffs to make casters OP.
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Mages do actually outshine Warriors at level 60 when mechanics favor ranged
But pure single-target DPS, when mechanics are not taken into account, and cooldowns are used at optimal times: Warriors are kings. As they should be. Melee is a disadvantage.
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No, they are balancing runes. Classes themselves aren’t being tuned.
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Balance isn’t about being punitive. You basically lost any footing of an argument after posting this. You are biased and can’t be taken seriously.
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My bias doesn’t make me wrong.
Melee has a huge advantage with infinite resources currently, which is lessened at 60 but still there. I’m fine with some fights favoring melee and some ranged. that’s balanced. Right now, casters are horrible compared to physical. It’s not even the damage that makes it bad, it’s not being able to use your abilities because you oom so fast. It’ll get better at later levels, but couldn’t the world buff include massive mana regen in BFD? Or make it easy to access better water for the raid that refills mana pools much faster?
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Great idea! You know it’s a good idea because it necessitates re-itemizing every single thing with intellect on it in the entire game to avoid a situation where casters hit absurd +damage/healing values by level 45 because you allowed them to double-dip spellpower from two stat lines.
It most certainly stains your argument since it’s not coming from a neutral place. Imagine a dev posting on a class forum “f those guys, you’ve had your chance”. It’s silly.
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They used to do exactly that. They would come into the shaman forums and spit in our face.
No, that’s classic for you. Warriors/Rogues carry the damage on trash to help keep up the pace. Mages save up for bosses.
Warlocks blast if the healers have mana, or go slow like Mages if not.
He’s not arguing in good faith. Said that others deserve to be in the top when mages were never in the top in classic. But the begs the argument, why should warriors be allowed in the top every tier? If anything, rogues should be top damage in pure single target without any melee draw backs. Their aoe is garbage compared to warrior too.
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They most certainly did not. Not getting your buffs you think you need isn’t spitting in anyone’s face. If anything the shaman sub was so rude it got tseric fired
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The poster claims we need drastic changes to underlying game mechanics because of their feelings. Something tells me that’s not a great reason to make changes to the game.
At end game rogues are top single target raid dps. I raided classic daily back on the day. No one should top a combat backstab rogue in pve. Pve….
Generic 5% buffs to classes burdened with gigantic class design issues. Yes, that is a spit in the face.
Think warriors with world buffs were best.