I think having to communicate with people in a MMO is pretty normal, its not people trying to control others, its the basis of the game and how it originally was in classic. You can play the game solo mode if you want to, but thats essentially what retail wow is now, 0 communications with others and click the queue button.
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Competing definition? I haven’t seen much competing definition I simply answered a question. Is this something I feel is 100% true not but it’s the answer I can give to that question which I feel is right. I’m not stuck on this and if you have a better answer feel free to propose it.
At the end of the day a game is an ensemble of rules. If we’re talking about game designs it’s about shaping how people play the game and that is a pretty important part of games. Not everyone likes the same thing and so not everyone will like the same rules. And how you set the rules will change how people play the game.
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He’s mad…
I’ll take the compliment coming from you.
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lol
LOL
I find your arguments delusional, and plainly pathetic.
Its very clear that you don’t care about anyone who doesn’t fit into the way YOU think they should play, and that’s just disgusting.
Answers all the questions just to get asked the same question, id get kinda irritated too lmao
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Yeah i dont think LFR should have been added to begin with. I also dont care if its added or removed in MoP. Ive never hid either of those facts. You guys are just delusional and refuse to put any effort into actually being a part of the community.
It isn’t like if we changed our opinion blizzard would add LFR, they removed it more than likely because it would take more effort than they believe its worth. And he isn’t really wrong about phase 1 tourists, every start of the expansion half the population of servers quit regardless of what blizzard includes or doesn’t include.
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well, here it is:
that sounds like the description of poor system engineer. designing a system doesn’t work like an object oriented programming language. you don’t need a rigid ruleset for the system to be functional.
rules don’t need to mutually exclusive. different types of game play can exist in the same game (system).
the original game designers understood that.
really, this whole “controlling gameplay” thing is a power trip, and its just ridiculous.
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There is plenty of solo content that people can participate in, but raiding was designed to be a community activity. No one is saying casual/solo players can’t play the game but it’s an MMO if you want to participate in the end game 99% of mmos require you to actually talk to people and builds communities with them.
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you’re right, they probably won’t… but they may if some of us manage to talk sense into them (or those who they listen to).
yes, I get there are tourists… but using that as an arguing position with me, someone who’s been here since 2009, is just poor decision making.
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Yeah I don’t think blizzard is gonna listen to people try to “talk sense into them”, there was massive amounts of hate towards LFR when it was first released, so I don’t blame them for trying to go a different route this time around. It hurts the solo players but encourages more people to join guilds and pugs making the game healthier overall.
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this view is wholly delusional.
you don’t need to control how everyone in the game plays to build communities.
LFR just got more people into raids. that’s all.
the rest of this nonsense is just a bunch of people on a power trip.
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It mostly depends on what you’re trying to accomplish. Definitely there can be designs that goes against others, not everything can live in harmony. There are many factors to account for. If you let people queue for a system and that it’s seen as more efficient and easy then people will most likely do that, you’ve just diverged how people would naturally play the game and that could be seen also as trying to control players as you’ve influenced them.
No one is stopping people from forming communities or how they build them, I don’t see how my points are nonsense, LFR did get more people into raids but also contributed to the decline of raiding communities in the game. Why join a guild when I can still see all the raid content regardless of putting in any effort? I know plenty of people who play solo just for collecting items. Regardless of what blizzard did there was going to be backlash from the community, they saw their game was still performing without LFR so why put the effort into fixing LFR.
So you don’t want to because you’re afraid I’ll tear it apart easily. Hilarious
More namecalling. You’re so triggered that people have a different opinion than you that you can’t even back up. YIKES
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there is zero evidence to support that diversion. its speculation, driven by ego.
I’m the audience in question - I will never join a raiding community again. period.
also, there is zero evidence that the classic dev team possesses the talent to make a better system than the original game designers.
I’m not here for their new vision of the game. most of us aren’t. we’re here for the game we loved. what we’re getting is a few people trying to make that thing their own, and it’s not. but I digress.
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You do actually. Raid content should be done in a group with other members of the community you interact with. I dont think you should be able to que into a raid and just have a go at it. And no it didnt just get people into raids it made people less likely to join raiding communities too.
Okay then so dont raid.
Well they did by undoing something that was added. Looks like they are off to a good start.
The “classic” in MoP Classic is just another way to say re-release we knew they werent staying truly OG classic since at least WOTLK.
I am here for a improved version of MoP. Blizzard has done this in various ways, one of those was getting rid of raid finder.
Well for once Blizzard saying that classic had a more solid community and that players were doing normal more without LFR.
Moreover it’s simply science, people will do what takes the less effort. Do you see many groups walking to dungeons since you can queue for them? No that isn’t happening.
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MOP as an expansion does not rely on LFR to be a good game, it still the same game but without a feature that encourages solo play. For almost all of Cata i was not apart of a raiding community and still saw all the content due to pugs being everywhere and lots of them state that they are learning groups and to be patient.
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