Insta Clone for Feral

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Needs to come back. Feral in PvP is lackluster with CCs. Ferals are stun bots. Rake/Maim/Bash. And the problem with Clone is that we have to cast it. Almost all melee classes dont have to cast their CCs. You just mongozoid dps and your CCs are insta.
Ret : HoJ, Rep, Blind
DH : Stun, Fear, Incap, maybe more? Not sure
DK : Stun, Grip, Frozen Blind thing?, Silence
Surv Hunt : Stun/Trap/Scatter
Monk : Stun/Incap
Warr : Stun, Fear

These are all CCs that these classes have and are all instants. Enhance Shaman is the only one that also struggles to have good CC and having to cast Hex. (which at one point used to be instant cast for procs as well)

I think Feral (and apparently Enhance) got left behind with the melee zugfest. We’re sort of treated like a caster, since maybe we’re hybrids, and thus a huge part of our CC kit is required to cast.
But if we take a look at the evidence of all the other melee classes, no casting is required at all.
Feral got their insta clone pruned (and enhance but i dont know much about enhance and this is a post specifically for ferals, sorry) and now, expansions later, something should give.
We deserve to have another school of CC other than stun that is instant.
So I propose instant cyclone, but with a nerf’d rendition.
Make it last 5s or 4s,and give it a CD. Make the CD like 30-45s.
Make this only available to feral as well, since we’re melee and talking about how we as melee spec are lacking in schools of CC besides stun. Maybe make it a PvP talent if the feral tree can’t find a realistic spot for the talent?
Anyways. Feral needs an insta-CC that isnt a Stun. That’s literally it. And balance it with a proper CD time, and make it last 5s max, if not 4s.
Because you can’t be designed a melee class and, by design, be in the middle of the chaos so you can do damage, but yet our only other CC school has to be hardcasted. It doesn’t make sense design wise as a melee class.

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cyclone is fine how it is, the only change I could maybe see happening to cyclone is making it a 5 sec duration. but insta clones and putting a cd on clone is dumb imo. the whole fun of cyclone is spamming/rotating it. You put a cd on it and now we just have dh imprison

clone also just needs to be baseline instead of forcing us to spend 3 talent points to get it but the talent tree is a whole ‘nother problem

if ur having trouble landing clones then play more haste

obviously casting clone on feral comes with much higher risk than boomy because you aren’t backed up by moonkin form armor and you lose a global to go back into cat form but when you do land a clone you are getting a free feral frenzy

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i respect your opinion! grats on R1 :slight_smile: hoping one day i can push to glad! but i’m just thinking from the standpoint of a melee player, since feral is melee. Casting CC as melee can feel bad. And some comps i know high rated players dont play it (Snupy in YT video says so), so maybe just giving us an option to have insta clone via pvp talent, so that we at least have access to a huge part of our CC toolkit. Because besides clone we just have stun. So I ultimately just want the option of it (making it a pvp talent choice). besides the point just wanted to say ive been pumping retail feral more, really starting to enjoy it! goal is just to get 500 games in minimum for this season. ill pursue a rating next season since im just so unfamiliar with retail still

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It can feel bad sometimes for sure, it just takes knowing when it’s best to go for clones rather then just trying to cast a clone while a windwalker + enhance are just mauling you for example. I still don’t agree with ferals even having the option to insta clone but that’s just me. Yeah our only instant cc is stuns (if you don’t count roots) but feral stuns are pretty much the best in the game other than rogues. 4 sec rake stuns, 4 sec bash, 5 sec maim on a 20 sec cd. These other classes that have instant ccs have them because they either don’t have a stun or their stun is 3 seconds long on a 30 sec cd so that’s the trade off.

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I feel like a child getting owned in an argument by his mom/dad. Fine I’ll just get my fix of insta clones in wrath classic lol. My first idea was to get rid of incap roar and replace with insta clone, which would cause us to lose bash and help mitigate our amount of stun CC. But realized it’s not feasible cuz every spec will have access to it. I think the only argument I can make against it is that rogues have insane stuns with cheaps/kidneys plus their toolkit of gouge/blind/sap. But idk if comparing one spec to a single other spec is a good argument in itself.

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PvP aside for a moment… Let me insta cast my rebirth please! Things can get hairy throughout M+ if I’m having to peel back simply so I can safely cast brez on a dead party member. Not to mention it brings a dead stop to my dps having to shift out like that. I know… I know… They shouldn’t be dying to stupid stuff… but that’s not my point here. :sweat_smile:

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