I will always trust more in someone that backs up what they’re saying with sources/sound logic than I will someone else that’s just good at the game and can’t do the same. If you’re good at the game, back it up better than someone else with lower parses. Players with high parses shouldn’t get a pass on this.
If this is in reference to:
I’m talking about certain players that have been very vocal about nerfing classes/specs while posting on alts of that class.
I 100% agree. I do think that a player who parses 80s-90s will have more credibility than say a player parsing 19s or 20s. I also think ilvl parses matter more because you can be 221 and still get a blue parse just because of gear.
I was responding to that. I apologize as now that I have reread it I realized it didn’t say what I thought it did.
Fire has become a perfect example of why M+ and raid clearly need to be balanced separately.
Either that or they need to go back to not balancing around 5 man content and balance around raid content.
Also define “most represented” I don’t think it’s fair to compare spammable content to lockout content. Especially if that spammable content is easier to do than mythic raid and provides higher ilvl relative to the diffuculty in the vault.
Raid is literally nothing more than an achievement at this point and is not a strong gearing path.
^ This is completely true. There’s almost no incentive to raid for gear now with the decreased drop %, removal of bonus rolls and 226 from m+ vs the real challenge of mythic raiding.
I believe they will balance around community perception and the content with active participation. I don’t think the fire changes will stay as is, but ment to be a ballpark placeholder. M+ has a large representation. Mythic raid is certainly challenging end game content and may not have the same representation,the content does have a static difficulty letting your gear make the content easier often followed with nerfs to help teams obtain the seasons goal, if they want to peruse it. My point being, the content gets easier but people lose interest fast. I feel the balancing will move more towards 5 man teams as the barrier to enter is easier and the content only scales harder, makes this replayable content more interesting. They are certainly different content as you outlined and not always comparable and if anything could be done it should be, and I think this is the focus of the discussion around the new raid items .
Her/ his reply had nothing to do with “mansplaining” … don’t you love it when people just toss around words that are completely irrelevant to the discussion above? Your just assuming he/she is a man now? Are you a Wizard harry?
I think they were talking about non same class elitism and used mansplaining as a metaphoric reference. In essence, having another class come in the mage forums and explain how our class works to us, just like if a man came up to a woman and explained trivial things. Is it justified? No, people may play the class and just haven’t swapped their character on the forums.
Now the person he was replying to wasn’t mansplaining, and honestly they should have used elitism as the word they used, and even then its not used correctly because the information the priest gave was an evaluation of current statistics, and not a point of view of proper playstyle.
So yeah, he sorta is just completely wrong in how he used his statement.
But regardless, this is about the nerfs and how fire mages will perform in 9.1 comparative to 9.0.5, so opinions are not really needed, we need data and numbers to accurately gage how fire mages will be and if they need some of the nerfs retracted or increased.
Ok dude you got the gear and parses you wanted and left the guild, I really don’t care…I remember you talked nice to me while you were there now it’s a different story…I get it you don’t have to be nice anymore blah blah…i really could care less, you’re still a parse shamer, end of story…
This has become personal drama and has nothing to do with fire mages, ive flagged it as spam. I recommend just dropping it, nothing conducive towards the conversation of 9.1 fire mage nerfs is coming from it.
Im not the one that derailed it to begin with
Actually you’re talking about something you don’t really know anything about.
I don’t even have a problem with you.
If you actually want the facts feel free to message me on discord because I’m not going to put all that out in this thread.
Not shaming anyone on parses. I pointed a fact that the Aedred should work on his performance over crying the sky is falling after the first round of patch notes.
To put this back on topic.
The way the changes for affliction and locks in general is changing how the class looks. Kalamazi has a theory that Blizz is trying to make demo the ST spec/Destro the two target spec and aff the council spec.
Do you think they could be doing the same thing to mages. Aiming for arcane to be the st spec, frost the cleave spec, and fire the aoe spec?
I would if i knew your Disc handle lol
Snoz#0440
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Yes i believe that blizz is trying to split apart dps priority rolls for pure dps specs. i believe blizzard wants people to jump between your specs to optimize for fights or dungeons, its a weak way of trying to bring back the idea of playing the class, not the spec. But as it stands right now, the numbers are just too off to make that claim for mages, fire is just dominating in every aspect of the game comparatively to frost or arcane, and because of that, frost and arcane players feel like their spec doesn’t have a purpose in pve or pvp. Which is why i want the fire nerfs bad, i want people to actually play different specs for some if not most the content.
But, because of how coven skills work and how little you get to swap between them, playing each spec proficiently becomes somewhat iffy. the covens directly effect what content you will be more efficient in and also effects your specs performance numbers drastically. So blizz really has dug them selves a dirty hole.
First they would need to balance out all covens in all situations, then they need to changes pure dps specs to have a more defined objective in combat, then they can tweak numbers to bring everything in line with the designed spec objective.
Which they wouldn’t have had to do if they would have taken the legion approach. Each spec only had one option in artifacts and it was designed around their class with pve and pvp in mind. Covens are also designed with pvp and pve in mind, but they are not designed around any one class or spec. Meaning that there will be better covens for different specs and classes for pve and pvp, even going down to raid vs dungeons, or duels vs arena vs battlegrounds. Where as the artifacts were just an addition to your spec and you could get each artifact for each spec, so you could actually swap decently easy. The covens just create road blocks and segregation based on optimization.
But if they get balanced out for all content, the dps spec identity could be a lot more possible.
P.S. Fire nerfs are needed, but its not the only thing mages in general need done with their class as a whole, obviously. And keep in mind all the classes are going over reviews like this one, a lot of stats are going to change.
Yeah, I’m not sure what they were thinking here. In 8.3 I think I was entirely geared with raid drops. This time around, I don’t think there’s a raid piece to be found. Admittedly I raided a bit more in nyalotha.
Probably because you had a reason to, now it’s just get AOTC or CE and done.
Regarding my previous post about the Kindling nerf, I’ve been testing SKB on the PTR just in case in might become the play over DC or another leggo in 9.1.
Since we know max rank 330 DotG is 9.6 seconds additional CDR which is only a 3.2 second improvement over 226 DotG at 6.4 seconds CDR. If you pool your fire blasts at 2.5 to 3 charges when you gain Sun King’s Blessing which the 15 second buff after 8 Hot Streak consumption stacks to hard cast pyro, you can get 7-8 extra crits in that 6 second mini combustion which is 7-8 seconds of CDR from Kindling.
That would mean over 10+ seconds of guaranteed CDR in between combustion usage from 330 DotG and SKB’s mini combustion combined. Just a thought cause this is the most engaging fire leggo and I want to play it competitively like most of you before this was nerfed before SL came out and buffed a little again recently. Possible silver lining from all this perhaps?
There’s some truth to that and maybe it’s just me, but I don’t think CN is all that fun. I continued doing nyalotha long after there were no gear upgrades.
Nice tests lucy, does it bring us down back to an 1 minute fire mage?