Which turned out to be stronger, Kul’Tiras or Zandalar?
Judging by their magics, armies, any sort of feats, etc…
Well, Kul Tiras has the full resources of three zones and a sizable population, while the Zandalari only have one zone firmly under their control and populated by their people.
However, Zandalar has the backing of the Loa which makes them exceptionally strong as well as having access to demi-gods to call upon in conflict. Talanji is powerful, but Jaina is in a league of her own…
I think I’d give this one to Zandalar, but the Vulpera recruitment suggesting they’re struggling against the Naga undermines it…
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I completely forgot they’re losing ground to the Naga.
Fair point, but it’s still kinda lame their Loa struggled against Blood Trolls.
Or the fact that Sethraliss had to go all kamikaze against Mythraxx while a raid of heroes downed him.
That raid of Heroes took down a Titan, multiple Old Gods, Dragon Aspects, and more. Mythraxx stood no chance.
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The whole Legion thing was with Artifact powers that were borderline broken.
I’ll take the other ones tho.
We need a boilerplate “whatever the story needs in the moment” disclaimer. So pretend that.
To me it boils down to how the conflict is fought. If it is mostly on land, the Zandalar have some huge advantages. Dedicated warrior orders, diverse military backed by their dinosaurs. Kul’tiras just doesn’t hold up as well there- they have certain contextual advantages, but Zandalar would be a real powerhouse, and it would take a more developed, diverse force (like, the combined Dwarf clans or some such) to really stand up to them.
If it is at sea, or determined by access from such, Kul’tiras does much better. They both make big boats, but Kul’tiras, that’s their bag. Big, magically enchanted boats with sea sages. The Zandalari navy is neat, but it’s mostly just big and well armed. Kul’tiras is probably going to do better there, if for no other reason than the extent to which their entire culture and magic is bound up and being good at that one thing.
So, if Zandalar can land in significant numbers, Kul’tiras is in trouble. A mess of outriggers, knights, and monster/witch hunters isn’t going to hold up terribly well against walking, living siege towers and Loa orders. If the Kul’tiran navy can make the cost of landing high enough, then they probably win on those grounds. On the other hand, Kul’tiras, alone, is never successfully going to invade Zandalar.
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A major source of Kul Tiras power are their sea priests blessing/guiding every ship, who many (all?) get their power from N’zoth. We will see if without him they are as well off.
Um. No.
We’ve seen Brother Pike do fine. They seem to tamper with some sort of Arcane/Elemental type of magic, but since they’re also in contact with the ocean they’re prone to hear the whispers. But that doesn’t mean the powersource is N’zoth.
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We can all bring facts and logic but at the end of the day it’s Blizzard we’re talking about.
Don’t ever forget Tyranda, Malfurion and Elune could not defeat Nathanos.
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God that was such BS.
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They…did defeat Nathanos, though. Killing the greater Val’Kyr that was empowering him.
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I am pretty sure he ran away.
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Yes. Because he was defeated.
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I think ‘‘defeat’’ in this context (or at least in the World of WARcraft context) is kill.
Which to be honest, if you put the Avatar of Elune empowered by the Mother Moon herself + the strongest mortal druid is a bit of overkill lol. But he ran away! Yay!
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To get back on Topic I do think Zaldalari are stronger. Navy wise it’s anyone’s game but once the fight hits the ground it’s gonna be a real challenge for Kul’tirans to stand against hungry dinosaurs.
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Kul’tiras has some advantages on the water I’d say, but the Zandalari navy is no slouch itself. I can’t say those would be enough for a decisive victory in a naval battle. Even if they fought each other till the bitter end with Kul’tiras coming on top, they’d never be a position to invade by land.
Even if they did they would fail miserably due to a more diverse and regimented Zandalari Army (which seems to be separate entirely from their navy), dinosaurs, and, should they take notice, the Loa themselves.
I agree that if the Zandalari made landfall Kul’tiras would be in huge trouble when the laser shooting dinosaurs trudge off the ship. I have doubts the Kul’tiran Gryphon riders would last against the Zandalari Pterodaxx riders as well, giving the Zandalari an aerial advantage.
The thing that flummox’s me is whether or not the Zandalari can be said to have a proper army at all. I think we’re kind of taking that for granted. The Zandalari Empire has been reduced to a single zone. They’ve had no presence in Nazmir, and exiled their worst criminals to Vol’dun, but have no strength there to boast of either.
Kul Tiras is, comparatively, well populated across all three zones. What’s more, all three zones are firmly secured by the end of the Kul Tiras questing. The Zandalari can only boast one secured zone.
So, the Zandalari may have a dino-cavalry and air-force, but that doesn’t necessarily mean they have the numbers to make that count. The Kul Tirans have their own Gryphon Riders, as well as a Cavalry (they’ve got enough horses for every man in Kul Tiras to ride for light’s sake…)
The real thing the Zandalari have over the Kul Tirans are the Loa, but it’s hard to factor that into anything. The Loa are fickle, as we saw with Bwonsamdi and Rastakan. However, once they’re brought to a fight, they can tip the scales.
At the end of BfA, I would say the Kul Tirans emerged stronger, but that’s kind of a pointless commentary in and of itself. If Blizzard feels the need, the darkspear alone could solo both groups.
I mean…
Darkspear sure beat up the Lightforged ezpz in the Drustvar assault with a single ritual.
That was wild. Power scalings in wow are whack.
Exactly. The Darkspear on the wow website are described as bordering on extinct, and yet they can stand up to the guys who have been fighting 25,000+ years against the inter-galactic demonic conquest machine that is the Burning Legion, and held their own.
Fair enough. I’ve always wondered where the Zandalari get their sustenance.
Is it mainly fishing? And getting whatever fruit grows in Zuldazar? Because as you said Nazmir and Vol’dun are just wastelands for them and have barely any presence there. You could say that with the questing done by the Horde some loas have gained followers. But both Akunda and the Frog loa were lacking Aspects in the Conclave of the Chosen fight.
Again, those loas also weren’t enough to repel the Blood Trolls when they invaded Dazar’alor. While you could argue they had the edge with Mythraxx I still think they didn’t do much there lol.
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