The numbers Q2 2015 and prior to are numbers released to investors. I remember when Ion said no flying for WoD…the response was so bad with people unsubbing 3 weeks later they reversed course, but months later we still didnt have it and ny Q3 2015 they stopped reporting official number, but loosing half your subscribers in 6 months should have told them players don’t like the direction the game was headed and is still heading.
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It’s just strange that not having flying out the gate didn’t prevent me from doing a single thing, so not caring about it being an immediate thing is somehow “submitting.” Seems more like you guys are whinging for the sake of it.
I also have no idea how your analogy is related to flying in WoW. Or relevant to my post about the current system being fine (because waiting a single tier for flying is not that big of a deal, objectively), for that matter.
I would go with “it isn’t that big of a deal either way and the time spent whining on the forums could be the difference in your travel time while on the ground so quit making big deals out of nothing”
It was what… one tier without flying?
What is this ‘tier’ thing?
Also the longer travel times do indeed mean more time is available to whine on the forums. Companies do not make money by making customers unhappy, and that’s why flying is still included in the game every expansion though with great reluctance and spite as the requirements get more onerous every time.
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On its Twitter account, WeakAuras revealed that active subscribers jumped to 3.2 million after the launch of the seventh major expansion, World of Warcraft: Battle for Azeroth, back in August. But since then, the number has fallen to 1.7 million. These numbers are worldwide excluding China, it claims.
For the love of god I don’t know how Ion and the rest of the developers can be laughing about that. The game is now just a little past when Warcraft launched in 2004.
That’s nothing to laugh at and yet they still carry this air of “play it our way and like it attitude.” Obviously if the game has dropped to 1.7 Million World Wide. The customers don’t like to play it the developers way.
P.S. thank you to Zarikas for finding that info. 
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There is a huge difference between “Worked” and having to do it because they took away choice, if you love the game, you’ll do it anyway because you don’t have a choice, that’s not “worked” that’s forced,
Also if it worked why is there a daily thread about it on just about any public forums to do with WoW, you know the ones people complain about.
Zarikas is referring to how flying worked in the four expansions since it was introduced, when it was purchased with gold. Didn’t matter how you got the gold, quests, dungeons, mailbox dancing, gold farmer, it was entirely your choice.
Now we’re forced to do a set amount of content on a single character. That’s how it’s been for the last three expansions, announced on a fourth, with the content type and amount increasing in scope each time. There is no choice with Pathfinder.
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Cool Tks I read it wrong 
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No problem. I’ve been around for quite a while. I’ve been everything from a HC world 50ish guild, super casual to semi HC…seen this game’s highs and lows. However this current BS with Flying ultimately isnt about flying. At it’s root cause is the blizzard developers effectively making a time gated slot machine. It’s unfulfilling, it’s hardly fun and it’s really only the social aspect of my guild that keeps me here. It’s just been one bad decision after another on the Dev’s part.
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It is a big deal because it’s a pointless limitation. You may enjoy Blizz feeding you bull on why flight should be held back for so long but I dont and will continue to call them out on their crap.
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Not everyone feels the way you do. I personally think flying changed the WoW experience forever… and not in a good way.
People dont leave because they remove flying. The game is getting older, alot of the new generation dont like these kind of games, WOD was horrible in many ways and no flying was a minor inconvenience compared to the absolute lack of any real content and if no flying is a complete deal breaker for some then please change the game so we can get back the old crow cause damm this new animal crossing community is ruining the game for me.
Excellent points. Flying’s not to bad so long as there’s the same sense of “threat” up there that there is on the ground, maybe perhaps a little lessened.
What I think most of us would all agree on is that the flying/no-flying debate is just a symptom of the larger issue… lack of content. I think that’s why Timeless Isle in MoP was so interesting for everyone. Despite it’s size, there was content virtually everywhere.
Theres multiple problems with that. First flying dosent work well with the engine, vehicule combat is horrible and if you just add Z axis figthing then your just swimming in the air and the players alrdy hate that. Also tell me whats the point of blizzard to make complex and interesting map design if half of the playerbase just wants to bypass it entirely. Sounds like a waste of ressources to me.
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This right here.
I think they should get rid of pathfinder, just make flying cost gold again, and reduce flying mount speed to 60%. There would be less incentive to fly around everywhere, and ground mounts would become relevant again because they’d be faster.
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Numbers don’t lie, and the people leaving between the announcement of no flying ever and when they were forced by their bosses to capitulate was the biggest short-term loss in WoW history.
PS, I love swimming. All of my undeads (and a few who need to breathe) do Vashjr.
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Numbers do lie cause your combining arguably the worst content drought and most disliked expansion in wows history and claiming that not flying is responsible for basically all the sub loses when pandaria and cataclysm had alrdy stagnated and even wrath was slowing down massively at the end.
And then in three weeks they lost more than over the last few years. Where’s the lie?
The curve looks pretty stable to me. It just seems it kept dropping at the same rate that it was dropping before.
Also not a bad idea… but I’d just rather (personally) flying was funny canned.