Hear me out. After replaying the founding of Orgrimmar I can’t shake the feeling that having the forsaken become members of the horde over the ogre clan that helped end of the kultarian navy might of been a mistake. I know they played around with the idea of orges at launch and I’d still love to see that happen.
In the founding of Orgrimmar Rexxar becomes a chieftain of a clan of ogres in order to force them to fight for the horde. I really think they should have carried that clan into vanilla where they could have evolved a little over the course of the game while still holding that Old Horde theme.
As how I come to the conclusion that Forsaken for the horde were a mistake. I mean I think that Blizzard should have gone for Orges over Forsaken at the start. That being said the Horde is mostly made up of the outcasted races so Forsaken do fit in. But I’d like to see some playable Ogres at some point.
Though I also know that Rexxar is the last son of the Mok’nathal, on Azeroth, but I think they could add more of his race too. Since there is a small camp in Outland I think they could have, or still can, make them more of an active race. I’d love to play as one. I’d even pick a Mok’nathal over an Orc.
TL;DR: Let get some Orges and/or Mok’nathal allied races. Horde definitely need some more big boys.
Forsaken being added to the Horde has always been a mistake; they are flat out immoral, if not evil. Couple that with Blood Elves in BC and the Horde is nothing like what it was supposed to be.
There is no honour, nor can there ever be, as long as two of the most evil playable races in the game are on Team Red.
I am sure it all came down to the height of doorways. Ogres are a bit taller then Tuarens if I am not mistaken and they have trouble getting around some times. If ogres were added all the buildings would have to be that much bigger to accommodate them so they went with undead instead, a small race that do not need any special building modifications.
Where I do kind of agree with this. There are some good people inside the faction for sure. I think Blood Elves are better than Forsaken for sure, even Nightborne are kind of evil, but The Forsaken take the cake. However they do have some interesting tales but they are in conflict with the Horde interests more often than not I think.
I can definitely understand this but we could have made them a little smaller. There doesn’t seem to be a uniformed size for them throughout the game. But I digress having them fit through doors would have to work. lol
Oh yeah. I’m not saying we should “kick them out”. I’m just saying Orges should have been playable before the forsaken. But since we are where we are we should really bring in some more playable classic Horde races into the fold. Forsaken are interesting, and even cool from an objective point of view, ultimately they are a decent horde race. Between the two factions they make a lot more sense for the horde.
So you wanted the Horde to enslave the orges? If they were forced to fight for the Horde and then were kept in the Horde that sounds an awful lot like slavery to me.
So as the story goes. Rexxar went there to get their help to help fight. So first he joined their clan. Then when the Chief wouldn’t help, noted to be a jerk from other members of the clan, Rexxar challenged him for leadership of the ogre clan. Rexxar wins and become the chieftain. So, no, they weren’t forced like slaves. They were given orders from their leader to fight, and they honored those orders. Without those orges we wouldn’t have Orgrimmar today.
Why do you look at it as one or the other? I love the Forsaken and I’m glad they’re part of the Horde. I hope Blizzard adds ogres and/or half ogres one day. Rexxar shares a model with KT men so I’m keeping my fingers crossed.
Because Blizzard only wanted to add four races for each faction in vanilla. They choose Forsaken over Orges when they were making the game back in the 2002ish.
The problem is, Forsaken for Horde and Night Elves for Alliance have always been a mistake. It’s probably the biggest mistake Blizzard has made for the game.
Forsaken ruin the image of the Horde by making them irredeemable villains (see Sylvanas) despite the fact the Horde Thrall made was never supposed to be irredeemably evil.
Consequently, the Night Elves being on the Alliance have made them look like weak, pathetic nothings that are just the pretty lapdogs of humans. The bite and ferocity if the Night Elves that we see in Warcraft 3 has been nonexistent in WoW, and it makes them look like floozy airheads rather than an ancient race of powerful warriors.
Both races were a huge mistake, honestly as were black and white factions.
No, Undead were planned to be on Horde. The story reason was it gave them a foothold in Eastern Kingdoms as opposed to the Alliance that already had these. Undead were one of the first three races in the game for Horde. They were the fifth race overall. It went Human, Orc, Dwarf, Night Elf, Undead, Tauren, Gnome, Troll. Troll actually came as the final to round out the original 4 in Alpha testing back when instead of icons you had checkboxes for your races. I.E it just said “Undead” and didn’t have a picture.
It even goes further back because this was planned before Frozen Throne was released and in some of the random interviews over the initial design of the game they’ve talked about they named the undead models in game files as “Scourge” because they didn’t know what “Forsaken” actually meant and they’d actually get into arguments with the writing team over this because they’d refer to them as scourge.
Ogres were planned for Cataclysm but got edged out by goblins as the Horde race.
As for why that Ogre tribe isn’t part of the Horde, Rexxar didn’t want to lead them and defaulted leadership to one of the ogres there who ran the tribe into the ground. Onyxia’s Brood attacked their original encampment and they fled to the north with this ogre not caring about his people, his quests send you to gather his belongings then when he refuses to do anything more you beat the hell out of him in town.
Forsaken might’ve fit into the Horde had the writers expanded on the, “tragic people trying to scrape together an (un)life for themselves” angle that we saw a good deal of in Vanilla, but they instead decided to follow up on the “lol jk we really are just scourge” angle which makes them an incredibly bad fit for the Horde.
Forsaken were planned for the Horde before WC3 released.
WC3 and WoW were developed parallel (with WC3 having a slight headstart IIRC) and a lot of the WoW developers were confused when Metzen kept saying “Forsaken” since the Forsaken as a concept wasn’t introduced yet.
Pretty sure it would of been better if we had no factions!
Just be any race and roam azeroth
and choose a side for pvp (And yes, lore wise there are orcs/humans that serve the opposite faction, but blizz never worked on that due too reasons…)
