In favor of twinks in exp on bgs. Long post

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So like many of you guys i have been leveling alts in bgs while waiting for the expansion to drop. As a longtime player, one of the most fun things for me was “twinking” my characters as I did the bracket, and then just re-doing this as I leveled and making my character as strong as i could for that level. I wasn’t a hardcore nut about it like some people, and those players were rare in my experience. One here and there wasn’t game breaking.

There seems to be this assumption that every person spends hundreds of hours creating this mega twink that will ruin the game.

I feel like the reality is that the game at level cap is so horrifically imbalanced it couldn’t even compare to the imbalance at it’s worst even in the 10-19 brackets.

Was everyone running into so many twinks in the lower levels that they felt the need to create an entirely separate and now dead exp-off twink bracket? I tried utilizing this exp-off bracket at level 19, 29, 39, 49 and in each case the queues were so incredibly long I gave up.

I feel the option to have a fully integrated experience should be back in game. TONS of people enjoyed doing this and it wasn’t the insane version of twinks that, while yes they were frustrating, were nothing in comparison to the imbalance we are seeing at cap and will continue to see at 60 based on all the information we’ve seen from the gearing system for pvpers. I just left a game on this warrior who is 124 ilvl where I was being stomped by a mythic raider premade in seething shore. One hunter was routinely ARCANE shot crit’ing me for 4500-5k dmg while I had a hp pool buffed of 20k~ or so. How is this any better than the low lvl twinks everyone was so upset about that caused the changes to begin with? I played through all those brackets in their original form and enjoyed the experience of getting new gear in each bracket and moving up.

The game is hardly in a state with this huge influx of new players that will be discouraged and i disagree with it. Many of the changes blizzard has made over time has hurt the community and this was one of them and should be reversed.

Is everyone so vehemently against this idea still of having an integrated bracket where the individual player can just turn their exp off? Why?

It might actually motivate people to level to play in those brackets again. It was fun. This is not. The minute I hit 50 on my alts I got bored and frustrated and haven’t touched them since. It’s a stupid system as is and will continue to be imbalanced going into SL. We basically said no to low lvl individual twinks and now will have mythic pve overlords in guild groups instead and the most imbalanced gear disparity in the history of the game.

Instead of one WSG game with a lvl 29 decked out, we’ll have lvl 60 gods in mythic raid items that are unobtainable by 99% of the population being destroyed every game.

One is doable by the normal player if they choose. One is not. Average Joe can at least do some basic twinking himself and make a fun character to play in the lower levels. Average Joe will never, ever be at the same level as PVE raiders who invest tons of hours into the game, so the idea that its alienating is not true as far as twinking goes.

Please leave any thoughtful feedback.

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A bunch of us tried to save xp off bg’s back when they were brought back, by creating PvP communities and war game schedules. Sadly in the end only the 19-39 brackets were able to coordinate a few xp off bg’s which were fun and all but you tend to learn the strategy of the players when you face them over and over again and things become stale. The new norm it seems is to simply rinse and repeat in the bracket you like the most. It’s what most of us do now.

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The rinse repeat of BFA BG leveling was actually not too bad. Getting through the 20’s bracket was a pita because of F2P. Sadly SL looks like a step back. The level squish messed a lot of stuff and they redistributed skills to higher level ranges. Some of which are important enough that it feels cripplingly to play without them.

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No. They removed twinking because they hate players with alternative playstyles. The original announcement stated they were removing the ability to shut off xp 110+ because players weren’t leveling up to max and were selling carries. I have no doubt that was the real reason.

Not that twink premades weren’t an issue. But they’ve replaced that with party sync premades, so clearly that wasn’t even a factor.

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Currently we can run clone style setups which can have near efficacy as an XPoff Character, on our enhanced levelers.
Every bracket, just continue upping the gearing ilvls/consumables/pcs.
AH is flooded with items, proper crafted items are available at all levels.
Without XPoff brackets this is all just borrowed power, which generates a huge consumption that does indeed provide great effects.
For sharp players, the choice is easy.

I will leave XPoff and XPon merging out of this one, but I have made it quite clear (IMHO) that the separation is not how this game was designed to be played.
A daily bonus Battleground or some type of added Currency for XP Token? (like the old days), Epic Gear, Mount? Tabards? which would allow all players XPon/XPoff to engage/join knowing and willingly that this is indeed a merged match, which provides far stellar rewards!
Something along these lines would have little disagreement from both sides IMO.

It also feels like there is too much experience in lower brackets to fully enjoy them when played leveling, just my take.
Fun gear/stuff shouldn’t have to be borrowed.

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Not an assumption, that was the reality when the brackets were merged in BfA.

Because even a single twink on either team made the game game far worse than the games without twinks in them.

No, they need to find another way other than merging XPon/XPoff.

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This is still the reality, as stated above.
We can be that bogeyman with similar power of these
Legendary Mythical Twinks :joy: that take hours/years to create. By gearing up correctly with easily obtained pieces. Nothing to get attached to, because reroll.
What doesn’t sit right with me is that is OK, cause Leveling out etc.
Just as easy, re gear and re clone another character, same effect.

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To me it seems incredibly obvious there should be a leveling bracket as is and a separate, possibly higher rewarded integrated bracket. Give leveling players the option to use that bracket.

They could make up all kinds of silly game reasons…“these individuals have been frozen in time and will prove more dangerous foes, but the experience will be well worth it.” Or something along those lines.

I imagine three choices. We already have two.

  1. A leveling bracket (basic and no boost)

  2. My proposed idea. An integrated leveling with exp off players (exp. Boosted as a REWARD for the levelers. War mode for bgs, reduced queue times, add an item lvl cap if worried about super twinks)

  3. Fully twink bracket as we have available already.

We have 1 and 3.

#2 should exist. I personally would opt for it every time while leveling.

Maybe a 10% experience boost, minor rewards. I dont know…there is no reason this cannot exist.

Exp off players would have their fun. Levelers would have their fun. Everyone wins.

Put an ilvl cap and a premade cap of 3 players for #2 for the twinks or something to regulate it a bit.

This game needs a kick in the pants because it is slowly dying and theres very little new blood playing.