Seriously what is going on in this game. Why are there 3k tanks who dont have a clue how ranged dps works? Or that its actually the tank who greatly influences dps based on what and how they pull?
They constantly pull out of ranged los making the rdps run after the pack vs bringing the pack back to ranged. They pull a boss into the faces of ranged dps instead of away. They dont even turn the mobs/boss lots of times. They have 0 clue about rdps uptime and how making ranged run around is legit turning off their damage. Then they want to wipe and blame the same ranged dps for “low dps” as if their lower dps because of the tank los had anything to do with the tank eating an interuptable cast. It just keeps getting worse every xpack.
Back in vanilla-legion tanks were good. They taught people how to play. They knew how it was dependant on them to set up a good pull so dps could get the most uptime on the mobs and kill it as quickly as possible.
Today in 2023 all they know is zerg. They think all they do is also dps. Its seriosuly bricking keys left and right. 3k tanks who have 0 awareness of these concepts. Like a serious 75+% of them. Wth is going on? (Im not talking about dot rdps)
Idk, I just wait for the tank to finish pulling.
Tanks who constantly move are the bane of my existence but that’s what I get for queueing up for content with randoms. I just deal with it.
Yeah i gave up on trying to dps with runaway tanks as ranged.
Once they stop moving, ill start casting.
If they never stop running, neither will i.
They can dps the lot by themselves 
Arcane Explosion is nice to get off while running. Lets me start with full charges so I can save an Orb for after my CDs than needing one before I start.
Laughs in BM. You lose 0 dps moving with the tank. Keep up!
This. If the tank is moving, don’t dps cause they’re probably looking to plant with a big group. Wait till they stop, unload, rinse, repeat.
And those big groups make my overall happy.
Me
drops rain of arrows
Tank
moves the mobs
Me
A bit off topic (sort of depending on how one interprets the threads title), I legit thought this was a callout towards players who Tanks but then tries to play as a range DPS and was struggling to do it. Because about a week ago I tried doing more on my Warlock and getting into a dungeon and I admit I made mistakes (Nothing major, just not used to the flow of it yet)
Being so used to being in the thick of it as a Tank and then being a ranged DPS, that for the most part has to remain still when casting is something I was not used to. Funny stuff.
So tank then…. So many ignorant players who want to backseat tank yet if they try it themselves would get absolutely deleted from the game.
Every dps player seems to know exactly how to tank, yet none of them will try it. Sorry to say but an average tank has far more responsibility and far more knowledge of the dungeon and mechanics than your average dps player does
Earthquake too, drives me up a wall
Because ranged dps is the same as melee dps when talking about high keys: personal responsibility, and if you screw up, you dead. Tanks in those high keys need to focus on maximizing group dps (not ranged or melee specific, if you can’t adapt to that - then you aren’t ready to run high keys) and survival. That’s it.
It sounds more like you ran with a really bad low M+ key group nd then extrapolated it to “all tanks, including 3k+ tanks”. Especially when you then say these two things:
Make up your mind what you are talking about. If you are talking about high keys, none of that matters - know your own class, role, and responsibilities, or don’t queue for high keys. At that point you should’ve learned those things and it is just a bonus if someone teaches you something you should know but don’t know (has happened to me, but I don’t expect folks to do that - it is on my head to educate myself).
And secondly… complaining about folks zerging/rushing dungeons…? Mate, folks have been doing this since vanilla! The only folks who complain about these things are GD-forum trolls who think a +2 makes one into the elite. I’m exaggerating here of course … but not by much.
Sorry but this post genuinely just reads as “I know how I play ranged dps, but I don’t know how to play as a ranged dps as part of a group”. Even less so in higher key-settings.
Sometimes there is a reason for it. For example, Freehold. There are lots of pulls where the tank will be pulling around corners so all the ranged mobs get grouped up or grabbing and pulling packs away from where they stand or patrol from.
Big pulls are good, just hold stationary AoEs for when the tank stops.
Wait for them to finish pulling isnt at all what im talking about lol.
Sorry I have no idea how to play with ranged DPS I’m still trying to move away from the melee that always want to hug me. I get it, my gnome warrior is very cute, but you’re in danger guys!! They’re slashing right at me, so try not to move onto me when I move or you could get slashed too!
I have tanked. I’ve played this game since vanilla in all roles. Its the easiest thing you can do in this game.
Why won’t the tanks play the game for you? Hard to say. Probably, they are used to dps staying in their lane. Tanks generally decide how much to pull and where to pull it. I’ve never, not once, pulled a pack onto the dps (with the slight exception of trying to kill my friend in a+20).
Counter question: why is it always a 2900 hunter that thinks they don’t have anything left to learn about the game?
I have been 3 k+ in every expansion since legion. I generally only pug. So i have a new tank nearly every key to justify my stated opinion. So maybe you try the same? And tell me how the tanks are.
When i said zerging i mean no strategy other than run forward screaming reeee swinging your arms. Not “rushing”. You can rush with some strategy other than zerg.
Its not about keep up and your melee. Ranged is always and has always been ranged. Dispite the poor attempts to force them into melee. There is a reason.
Also you are very wrong about needing to think about who is melee or ranged. Its the most simple thing you can realize before your key even starts. Ita not even thinking. O i have ranged dps? Better pull back to them and or not just run the whole time like they are melee. Or maybe i setup a marker and los pull back to it vs los forward. THAT had been the way for all time.
as a tank: that’s what dps have taught us over the years. pull fast and don’t stop, or someone will pull for us.