because your time has value
They are content this expansion because there is so much to them.
The only suggestions I’ve seen are “get around the flawed system by using alts to send yourself orders” and “throw gold at it until it fixes itself”. Neither of those are really solutions. The first is annoying – I know because it’s what I do to fill my crafting orders since I will literally NEVER sit in a main city begging on a corner for crafting work when I could be doing something FUN in game. The second is not something everyone has the amounts of spare gold to do.
The only suggestions I’ve heard to my own profession problems amount to “you should have placed points differently at the start”. Gee, thanks. Hindsight is 20/20 and I only tried spending hours out of game looking up things on third party websites to TRY to get it right only to make mistakes a whole lot of people made. (I think if this many people have gotten it wrong, this is a problem with how it was presented in game by Blizzard, NOT a problem with the players.) Of course, that can’t be fixed now, and I sit here unable to get my last points without the solution of pour huge amounts of gold into crafting things I’ll vendor just to get points. I won’t do that, so maybe I’ll have the last 12 points in four months more of Darkmoon Faire which is a really stupid way to have to max a profession.
It has nothing to do with “effort”. People need to drop the “effort” garbage argument. It has everything to do with being lucky enough to get the pattern drops you need, having huge amounts of spare gold you don’t mind wasting, and picking your nose long enough to wait for the trickle of knowledge points each week.
As for impatience… Personally, I would like something useful to me NOW. Not something half a year from now which would be useful to me now, but won’t be useful in half a year because by then I’ll need something else I can’t make. Is it possible for people to follow the argument of I want my professions to be even remotely synced up with my character’s needs? Right now, they’re definitely not.
2 Likes
professions always required investments - last expansion those legendaries were far far far more expensive to invest in.
geez it is almost like you think making gold doesn’t require an ‘effort’. Plus those aren’t the only effort involved - effort involved is advertising so you get personal orders and spending time checking for public orders.
I usually get 3 or more personal orders every day from advertising.
It doesn’t.
When you play the game normally, you gain gold constantly. I only keep loose track, but I had a net gain of about 3.5 million gold from start of Shadowlands to end of expansion. I didn’t play the AH or actively farm and I didn’t once bother with crafting legendary garbage. That means I had a net gain while being forced to buy legendary bases from other people. (Which ticked me off, but then that was ALSO a case of the first ten people getting something were the only ones who made any actual gold off it and everyone else was screwed over.) So, no. Making gold is not hard in the slightest through normal play of the game.
(In before someone says I should dump it all into crafting then… No thanks. I prefer to spend it on FUN things not a complete headache like Dragonflight crafting.)
So gold is easy to make why are you QQing about professions then, if they aren’t to your liking just ignore them.
Because I want to craft things for myself? The same thing I have always wanted to do with my professions? But for some reason I can’t possibly be allowed to do that without also being forced to be a small business owner in /trade when I would rather be playing the actual game? I don’t consider spamming trade to be playing the game.
Naw man they arent content
What?
You literally just said you didn’t. You can craft those items. Just give it time and you will get the KP to do so.
I will extend an olive branch though.
I do think it is a mistake for Blizzard to reduce the unlock of the next spec tree to 75 profession skill. It keeps up the illusion that profession skill is key when it isn’t.
I would actually make it based on KP spent. Either upon completing a node, or KP spent regardless of where, or something to that effect.
That’s what a job in real life is for.
WoW is just for fun and doesn’t need to be min-maxed into perfection.
I enjoy crafting for people, I bought 100k worth of resources and gave the items away for free to whoever sent me a Personal Order asking for one.
I was just going to vendor the rolling pins for 5g, why not help a few people out while I’m at it.
Exactly. People for some reason can’t fathom that someone would want to be amused crafting things for just themselves. Can’t fathom crafting as anything other than a way of making gold. I don’t see crafting as a way of making gold. I liked playing with it to make things for myself that I need. Just myself. I have no need or desire to outfit all of Vald or become a “known name” as a crafter.
And when I said I didn’t bother the legendary crafting, that doesn’t mean I didn’t craft. I crafted pots/flasks/enchants/foods/toy pets/missives/etcwhathaveyou. I happily crafted piles of things for myself and my alt army. Now crafting is so convoluted and complicated that’s never going to be a thing this expansion and I’m irritated because something I enjoyed quietly on the side has been taken away to be ruled over by the gold goblins and AH jockeys.
Wrong. This is something they should be doing RIGHT NOW IMMEDIATELY. It should be a hotfix instead of waiting for next patch. They screwed up by making it impossible to access all the spec trees without max level overall skill that you can’t get partly because you can’t access the damn trees. This will be a partial solution to people who mistakenly spent points in the wrong places by “trying things out” at the start and partially solve my current jewelcrafting problem. (I’m not the only one in my position.)
1 Like
blizzard made it easy for you - just get someone to craft them for you.
It takes nothing to craft things for yourself anyway you don’t need 100 skill - you just need to work on one sub spec at a time.
there was no possibility of not accessing spec trees if all you wanted to do is craft things for yourself - picking those specializations were a no brainer.
You sending orders to your alts doesn’t count.
Maybe part of the problem is the lack of guidance on the crafting order system from Blizzard, and the cost. I finally got my main to 70 with Mining and Herbalism. I want the 2 accessories for Mining, but my alt with Engineering has a long way to level. That’s fine. I’ll figure out the crafting orders and give another Engineer some work for now. I get on the board, and it shows I have to provide all the mats. First off, I distinctly remember reading that you could submit order with or without all the mats. I don’t see how to do that. Secondly, the Posting of the order is a fixed 20G. What? That feels steeper than the iPhone App Store cut, and I don’t think Mimzy has the same operational overhead. Ok fine. I’ll piss 20G out the window, but then i’m supposed to fill out the commission… what? Ok. How do I figure out what that should be? They aren’t serving me drinks, but maybe 15% is still good… ok. 15% of what? Cost of the item on the AH? I don’t have the patience to spreadsheet this to determine a decent commission rate. So I give up, and decide that I will just ask a Guildie to make it. Wait? There’s a 20G posting fee for a Guild order?! How does that make sense? Getting free trades is part of the reason I am in a guild. Why the hell would you even bother adding Guild Orders to the system if you’re going to charge a steep fee? That’s like agreeing to let you charge me to get my own sodas out of the fridge at home. Huge miss here on Blizzard’s part. Was the crafting orders not available in PTR? Seems this would have all shown up there.
you can for personal and guild work orders - not for public ones because you aren’t negotiating a price.
A lot of public work orders are around 1k gold. I usually get 1k to 5k for personal orders for profession equipment but I let people decide so I have gotten 25k at times.
20g is a steep fee ? are you making it for 12hours? I usually only get charged 6g for 12 hours.
Yes, but none of those things you mentioned were an issue.
Ok? You can still craft those things today. You will just be very sub optimal in doing so. You also will need to wait to accrue enough KP if the recipe is locked deep in the profession talent tree. The option is there for you though.
Yeah, ok fine. I have no issues with that.
I really don’t think it will solve any of your problems, but sure. If this is a design choice they have made, I don’t see a reason for waiting and not just doing it immediately.
It also may make things worse by giving uninformed players even more trees to spread yourself too thin on.
Again though, this isn’t a hill worth dying on and not really what the original thread is about.
They can just straight up unlock all spec trees for everyone at 50 for all I care. I bet most people on here will still be disappointed when they realize that nothing has changed for them.
But maybe you are truly in that minority. Someone who regrets a prior choice and has been pooling enough KP to make immediate use of the next spec tree unlock. Otherwise, you will unlock that tree, then just sit idly until enough weeklies go by to have meaningful KP to spend in the new tree.
If you can’t make stuff for others cause your skill is too low the best way is to get out of starting zone with an evoker alt and fly to valdrakken right away to send orders to your main for weekly quest. It takes like an hour to do or so.
If you’re hoping to get it done through public orders that will pretty much never happen. There’s alot more people looking to craft stuff then there are looking to use public system and they get sniped within seconds too.
The fact that they are dropping the unlocks for 3 tree crafting skills from 100 to 75 skill and on 4 tree skills from 100/75 to 75/60 skill says they are very very aware of the problem.
Basically they made a bad call on how much demand would be in the system and thought that most crafters would be able to skill up that way rather than super expensive or gated recipies from rep.
There is about a 100 fold shortage of orders to support the model they went with and they have painted themselves into a corner. Hence they are doing everything they can to increase usage (making intermediate mats orderable) and relieve the worst pain points (lowering skill level unlocks) because they can’t magically increase demand from players.
1 Like
The problem is you have to Dm someone or go deep into discord to figure it out is the issue.
You keep saying this but as Blizzard themselves advertised the aim of the crafting revamp being to make crafting a new pillar of endgame play you have built yourself a mental construct that is at best only a small part of what blizzard actually intended.