Don’t let full 10 man WSG premades go against pugs over and over and over
Let it happen like once in ten games for fun, but have some algorithm for matching groups of 10 against like groups of 7&1&1&1 for instance
Welcome to how it was in 2005 and changed in retail
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I vividly remember pugging as a kid in WSG and having a blast
If it’s in the spirit of the game for people to have a blast in BGs, then don’t let premades be the only reason to play in a BG
We can’t implement changes because players don’t behave the same way they behaved in 2005. I agree, the solo PVP experience is absolutely awful. I’m just not sure if that can be changed.
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Then people just start sync queuing to achieve almost guaranteed(even more than currently) pug vs premade matches.
Can’t fix this playerbase. It seeks out any and all advantages it can regardless of how shady or unsportsmanlike.
I played a ton as solo queue in Vanilla. I miss it, but I’m pretty sure it’s dead and gone, living on only in my fond memories.
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Well then implement a deserter for using “hide” that would stop premade ‘exploiting’
Why? This is a MMO. If you don’t like being stomped then form your own group.
I find it more offensive that people want to force players who are serious about PVP objectives to group with randoms that road fight, AFK, or generally don’t care about objectives.
I think this would actually be great for the health of WSG, #nochanges aside.
WSG right now is all but dead and adding a layer of competition to it would not only be better game play, but add excitement for the players.
Rewards should be in line with the efforts Pre made vs Pre made would require in order to make that the meta. If that were the case I think we would see a thriving cross realm WSG community who was active and competing to beat each other.
More people would be playing the game together as a result, which was the point of classic I thought, not solitary AV with no one you know.
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I have more fun with random people, let the people seriously pursuing R14 in a premade do there thing
The game is about learning to work together with complete strangers that’s kinda crazy if you can do that, not just play with the same people over and over forever
If everyone premaded and knew what they were doing…Pugs would be as you imply
As it is 99% of NA players have no idea what they’re doing in WSG or even teh basics of what their class role is in the WSG meta
Just terrible
If you see me in ur BG for the love of god give me the flag feral druids you gonna get smoked
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well than Premade will just arrange 2 cap + win/loss, if they are established and none premades not just a semi-organized pug that can be beat with a little more effort.
and youll also have the “spotter” somebody goes in and checks the game for a premade than afks out while the other 9 reque and snag a win with a pug.
Naw. Working as intended.
The only people against this would be the people doing premades, because they enjoy succeeding without having to put forth any actual effort or having to compete. PVP is supposed to be about competition, not facerolling 10 complete strangers, effectively turning them into a currency to be farmed because you’re too afraid of having to actually compete. This isn’t about “oh so you don’t want people to be able to play with their friends?”. That’s a scapegoat, and an obvious one. You can still play with your friends, just do it against other people also playing with their friends so it’s fair. Otherwise admit the main reason you’re playing with your “friends” is to cut corners and remove challenge from the game. But I suppose that’s what 99% of the Classic experience has been so far: Trying to remove the challenge from every aspect of the game; doing things the easiest way possible.
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If you’re on defense in AB, it’s actually beneficial to intercept the oncoming in the road so if you lose, you get a second try at advantage when you spawn at the gy while they have fewer people than before because you took some of them with you.
Thus they have to clear you twice, possibly three times if you get lucky before they can tap the capture node.
Gives time for reinforcement or just forces them to abort.
Once people start to think about the game more and understand strategy and stuff about the map (and how their class role fits into the game) they’ll get more comfortable not playing in a premade
Atm, BG’s have been out for a week and alliance side at least is filled with people complaining because they don’t actually know WTF they’re doing
So they take the easy road and join people in voice chat with a common goal of just running straight to the end objective
Again because they don’t know WTF they’re doing yet and aren’t comfortable doing anything else
If you say anything else you’re probably joking lol
Horde shouldn’t queue WSG unless premade.
The honor is bad and Paladins provide a lot more support for the FC than Shamans.
Just turtle AV for 5k honor while ganking open world until AB is out.
premade vs premade and pug vs pug WSG, such a simple change would make the BG actually fun. You know fun? That thing you used to have while playing WOW?
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100% also agree
g o T o RE T a IL
You can convince people playing with their friends on discord to do the same thing, but not with their friends.
Its a hard sell, as you can see.