Give me real responses me. When a fully immune cloaked rogue or someone bubbles, or magic/regular bop kills a team mate whats your first thought or exclamation.
Do you say man they are really good and I just got outplayed
Or do you outloud yell “THATS SO STUPID”
I casually PvP in BG’s, but when I see a Ret pop Bubble after taking a little damage I just /sigh and keep my distance until it fades.
Bubble has counterplay, prevents the use of a major defensive for 30s seconds, and is on the gcd. Cloak not so much.
Evasion? Off global.
Step to ally? Off global.
Cloak? Off global.
Vanish? Off global.
Oh, and cheat just so you extra double sure don’t get popped randomly.
It don’t seem fair when ret can get 70-0’d in the global they used on a damaging ability.
On top of that they get a baseline 1 sec gcd anyway 
Using a major defensive to secure a kill seems like a pretty reasonable risk vs reward. It’s annoying, but I don’t think being annoying makes something inherently bad.
I can understand how that might be frustrating from the perspective of mage, since ice block is a less versatile immunity. But the moves exist within the context of their classes as a whole, and imo it can be kind of pointless to compare one immunity, interrupt, stun, etc, to another.
I think the feeling you get from being zugged down by something you can’t cc, you can’t run from, and you can’t even target half the time is a pretty bad one, regardless of the context surrounding it.
I can’t do that, why can he? Etcetc
You’re right, of course. But also this thing happens
If blizavision wants rogues to do max stack Crusade burst every 1 min while also having almost all ccs in the game and while being a tank then make Cloak of Shadows and Vanish work like Bubble and BoP.
“Drowning in shadows” - Recently faded deep into the darkness, cannot cast Vanish for the next 15 seconds.
This might just be me being old and bald but I still hate that melee can attack while bopped.
Ret paladins don’t bother me attacking in bubble nor does rogue in cloak technically. Leaves em open to dying in theory.
Vanish CDR needs to be deleted though.
Actually when you know the game this isn’t a thing. They cloak I asphix (dk)/horror stun (priest)after .5s. Works every time unless bomb is going then I have to run in for it. Obv I just shadow step/kidney if I’m on my rogue. There’s a good reason the most popular trio is Bomb/Duel/Thief’s Bargain in arena for rogue.
They changed cloak back in Legion, so it’s not full duration immunity. You get a half second of immunity then it becomes a diminishing chance to resist. Pve change to stop Rogue stacking on Gul’Dan.
Rogue is more fine b/c they don’t give team immunities. Double BoP and freedom need to go, mages lose one of their 50 charges of blink. BoP going back to not allowing attacks would be great but they never will b/c how threat works in pve.
BTW I think if you’re being honest and not trolling you’ll admit to yourself that no matter the class 95% of the player base are winging idiots who blame the opposing class not themselves for getting outplayed. Even though in reality its a skill issue from the losing party. This is beta male paradise after all where personal responsibility doesn’t exist.
He’s talking about using the new cloak PvP talent that also makes them immune to
physical attacks.
You have edited this post twice and this still remains here. You don’t know the game, delete this.
I’ve never died to a rogue and thought “wow that guy is good at the game”. The class is designed to cheat and not fight fair
I don’t think that abilities that provide full immunity while allowing all actions and with no drawbacks are good design, even if they can potentially be countered by some classes or gimmicks. They create situations where you can lose not because you played worse than your opponent, but because your opponent popped his offensive immunity and you play a class that does not have its removal or counter and all you can do is kite / run away while it is active or play defensively with your own defensive CD hoping to survive till the immunity falls off. Either way you are disadvantaged compared to them.
As such, all full immunities should have some form of drawback - inability to use offensive actions / reduced damage output and so on. Most of them already have it and those that don’t should get.
I only get disgruntled when I get immunity frames by a DH as if I’m playing smash bros.
That crap is annoying.
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yeah, small windows of CC immunity as part of a rotation is… questionable.
It grants 100% dodge though, not physical immunity. You can remove harmful physical effects with it, disarm/Death Mark/bleeds etc but that doesn’t make you immune to any of those things after. I’ve killed rogues through it on my sub rogue, and I’ve been killed through it by war/ww on mine. Para into a stun from behind so I couldn’t pre feint.
kinda immune to it
No, just can’t hit them from the front.
People being willfully stupid isn’t a class problem. You can’t hit them from the front with a physical attack. Not the same thing as pally bubble, which stops all damage/cc/harmful effects all the time during it’s duration. Neither does it prevent physical cc at all. Unlike pally bubble or any other true immunity.
Comparing cloak to bubble is about as game illiterate as it gets. They aren’t close to the same thing effectively at all.