Is there a limit at which there is too much restrictiveness in design?
It’s a tangent honestly. Just because a thing happened in the past doesn’t automatically mean it will happen again the exact same way. Is it a strong possibility in the context of covenants? Absolutely.
Hellbent on arguing? Hardly. Responding to posters who are responding to my posts? Absolutely.
I feel like a couple of you are trying to figure out something I’m saying between lines when my words can mostly be interpreted rather on the nose.
I’m not being coy. I don’t know how more transparent I can be with all my posts in this thread.
I know, but as I said else where it was the best way I could think of to explain the problem with this system to people who don’t seem to get it. A hypothetical based on a system they know with the restrictions of the coming system laid over top
Ok, that’s wonderful. But once again, that’s aside from the point. Tons of people have been giving blizzard feedback that covenants are a bad system, just as tons of people gave feedback that azerite was a bad system. In the case of azerite blizzard didn’t listen, and wasted a ton of time as a result. Shadowlands is shaping up the same way so far.
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Imagine if people were still buying essences even though they’re going to be account wide day one of the pre patch 
Yeah, if essences were presented the way that Covenant abilities are going to be, they’d be extra hated.
Just saying as a rule of thumb, analogies don’t make for good persuasion. Keep an eye out for when other people try it and you’ll see what I mean.
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Yeah analogy is always suspect. But it’s the best I could think of.
The main thing is - the current iteration of covenant abilities is gonna blow big time.
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No it isn’t. If your goal is to convince those who don’t agree with you to agree with you the first mistake you can make is to say that their opinion is besides the point.
No, the goal is to convince blizzard to take action on a bad system, because they have a track record of releasing bad systems with the excuse “the people who gave negative feedback didn’t know what they were talking about”. I couldn’t care less about someone who likes the system, because changing it to make it better won’t hurt them.
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That is not what the OP said the point of the thread is.
Look man, you’re arguing with me for the wrong reason.
I already agree with the OP. I do not agree with how he has decided to make his argument for the reasons I have already stated in previous posts in the thread.
If that’s the OPs goal, I’d say it was flawed from the start, considering half the people who support the system on these forums are known trolls. That said, I don’t disagree with their comparison. Covenant abilities are functionally the same as essences. That’s compounded though, because abilities aren’t the only way covenants affect gameplay.
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I did not mis-read it. If you want to reroll from a mage to a shaman, your shaman starts at level 1. With nothing. You grind it to get everything your mage has.
If you choose to go back to your mage, none of the content you did on your shaman applies to your mage.
You actually typed this? And are serious? lol.
Ahh, I understand. You have no idea what an opinion is.
You don’t have to redo what you did on your mage though. With covenants, if you want to switch, what you did before, you have to do again. If I usually tank I can switch to dps if I want, but if I want to switch back to tank again, I have to regrind.
Completely serious. Were people who liked the release form of azerite hurt by the improvements made? Nope. Will people who like the current iteration of covenants be hurt by an improved form? Nope.
That is your opinion. It its yours only. You do not understand that your opinion is not shared by everyone. GL.
Ok, then show me someone who was hurt by the improvement of azerite. That’ll be a good start.
What improvement are you referring to? The vendor? The 4th ring? The lower ap requirements?
It was a rough go for Arms when they “improved” azerite by removing EP.
When blizzard seems utterly perplexed as to the community backlash, they as a whole are part of the “just don’t get it” group I was talking about.
All of the above, and EP? Is that a trait?
Bah who needs more people queuing for content as a tank or healer anyways.