Imagine being so alliance bias that you think Arthus redemption is okay but not Sylvanas

you ignored the other half of my post. which isn’t surprising at all considering its what you all do when faced with things you don’t want to respond to. because you have no real arguments about things. :wink:

I guess I should say I never said Sylvanas should or shouldn’t be redeemed. I was just debating that what Arthas did and what she did were not on equal grounds.

Bravado thread people, hes trolling for attention.
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we have no idea what happened to her when she threw herself onto the saronite things when she tried to kill herself at icecrown. you are all assuming it didn’t do anything when it obviously did because her entire character changed at that point.

Arthas didn’t get redeemed and at best will be sent to Revendreth(if Uther didn’t yeet him into the Maw).

I say let Sylvanas get the same fate, we all get to kill her and get some much needed Catharsis and she can spend a few millennia with Garrosh as her cell mate.

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Everything Arthas did was for the greater good, he doesn’t need a redemption arch since he wasn’t evil.

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Arthas created and made Sylvanas into what she is today though

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Well, there was an entire short story about it… So… I think we do know. Sure, the Sauronite should’ve affected her. Or the Val’kyr could’ve been subtly influencing her thoughts. Turns out none of that happened.

Anyways, if I were the Arbiter, at this point, I’d honestly make an afterlife for every soul that was marred by the Scourge, with the intent of helping them heal and find their proper afterlife. No Revendreth, no Bastion, they’ve all already been through enough.

Probably need to make a few more afterlives for all the innocent souls that got flushed to the maw too.

everything sylvanas has done was also for the greater good. but yall refuse to see it. also her personality completely changed after she tried to kill herself. she went from the type of person who literally died for her people to “arrows in her quiver” which is a 180 on personality. yet that is overlooked. look at the helf section of a wow wiki site to see who she was before that.

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Sigh…

The Lich King prior to Arthas destroying Ner’Zhul, was Ner’Zhul. Ner’Zhul was the original ‘Lich King’.

Arthas destroyed him and became the Lich King in more than just appearance.

and the legion made the scourge.

She was also, “Arrows in the Quiver,” with the High Elves serving under her before she died.

https://worldofwarcraft.com/en-us/story/short-story/leader-story/sylvanas-windrunner

judging by how she power slides into a sword wielding death knight, i’d say shes low quality arrow at best…

The kind that breaks before impact

Ah right, I guess he didn’t start hearing voices until after he found the sword. Still, people warned him.

Deep within a hidden cave, Frostmourne was protected by The Guardian and several revenants who tried to forewarn Arthas of the danger, but he ignored the warning and destroyed them. When they found the sword, Muradin read the inscription on the dais:
“Whomsoever takes up this blade shall wield power eternal. Just as the blade rends flesh, so must power scar the spirit.”

He’s the one who decided to ignore all the signs and go straight ahead anyway without even trying to figure out what was up or listen to anyone. At best he’s a too-dumb-to-live, useful idiot.

the entire argument here is what arthas did was for the greater good but what sylvanas did was evil. they’re both “for the greater good” people. that’s the kind of stuff i’m responding to. i wish people wouldn’t intentionally quote and ignore context.

i still say arthas is a better person than sylvanas tho.

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What? You are kidding right? :neutral_face: Everything he did was for the greater good? He wasn’t evil?

Look, I like Arthas. It has bothered me pretty bad seeing the cinematic where he dies, asks “Is it over?” and you think he’s finally free and at peace. Then we find out in Shadowlands that Uther was waiting for him to die to throw him in the Maw. Seeing that cinematic really bothered me because I had thought for years he was finally at peace.

But to say everything he did was for the greater good and he wasn’t evil is just nuts. He killed tons of innocents needlessly. His intentions started out good, just like Sylvanas’, and just like Illidan’s. But all of them got corrupted in some form.

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no at best he was an idiot who didn’t think things through. but alliance posters love to knight him because he’s alliance. and vilify sylvanas because she isn’t. that’s what it ultimately comes down to. i’ve even had conversations with people arguing that GARITHOS did nothing wrong.

To be honest I find morality arguments like that to be pointless.

To me, it’s more accurate to say, “Everything Arthas did was for his people, everything Sylvanas did was for revenge.”

What happened to Bolvar doesn’t seem to affect him nearly as much as it should, although the bit with raising new Horsemen was quite a blemish on his character that doesn’t seem to be an issue anymore.