she was grey until she yeeted herself off of icecrown. then something happened and she’s been different since then. they completely ignore that and context in general. after the lich king was taken care of she intended to end herself for good. they’ve hated her even before that then. because she’s undead. and they hate undead. despite also mostly being helf fanboys who should be grateful for her existence at all. lol. but the fact she did what she did and even lorthemar respects her sacrifices are beyond them. if they actually cared about anything but pretty blonde elf they should love her tbh. the actual helf lore isn’t debatable. she’s a huge part of it. she isn’t and was never a belf before she died.
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lol I was about to make the same analogy.
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I just like our elfy-burnin-bae because she’s a pyromaniac, and revealed an entirely new world to me as a youngster first opening up “Darknest”
Nope. Sylvanas regained her free-will. Everything she did after that was on her.
Isn’t this sorta exactly the whole excuse the Orcs throw around for the First and Second Wars?
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Yet, somehow, you are completely fine playing the side that commits those same atrocities…
Can’t stand the side decrying the atrocities, but…
Whatever.
I am still waiting for information on this supposed redemption…
I figure that chances are about 90% that this is just a horde biased troll thread that the OP pulled out of their rear, or at best is twisting something from Blizzconline so far out of context that it is unrecognizable, just like most of the threads they create.
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Arthas sought out and picked up Frostmourne with his own free will. So I do blame him for what came after. If he lost his free will, it’s because he gave it away.
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And she died and by defending and saving the lives of the people of Silvermoon.
Do you really think her being killed and raised as a banshee had zero effect on her, or you somehow believe she should just be raised as a bansee to suffer and come out of it unscathed.
At first her goal was revenge on Arthas. She wanted to help the forsaken. Did she end up taking things too far? Definitely.
I personally really enjoy the story of both Arthas and Sylvanas a lot. I don’t think either one deserves redemption any more than the other. Both were at one time good people who met tragic fates by trying to protect the people they love.
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Let’s be honest for a moment: it’s a video game. Playing Horde is not a commentary on whether someone finds the idea of genocide or anything else to be acceptable, unacceptable, or anything of the sort.
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a video game =/= real life. also war is war and this is a game about war. there is no real atrocities in a game. the fact you cant tell the difference between a game and real life is… uh… wow. no one had their irl nelf family die off because of what sylvanas did. the fact you can’t see that a game is not the same as a real genocide. yikes.
All he knew was the sword had a possible curse on it. He had no idea that it was an instrument of the legion and the undead he was trying to stop.
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To be fair his words when claiming Frostmourne were essentially, “I would pay any price for my people.” Something along those lines. That said, you’re right, neither he nor Muradin knew exactly what the sword would do to him.
“Hmm, evil cursed talking sword is begging me to free it from imprisonment so I can gain great power. Seems TOTALLY legit, this definitely has no chance of ending badly so no need to look into it further before I go ahead and do what it tells me.”
and sylvanas had no say in whether she was raised as a banshee or not. and she intended to die and that be it but came back. so twice she did the right thing and then was punished for it. your point just makes even more obvious you’re biased and not seeing things from any perspective beyond sylvie bad.
It wasn’t talking…
It never talked.
Yeah, she was raised as a banshee. But then she regained her free will later. After that, it’s on her.
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Being raised as a banshee; being cursed with undeath had zero effect on her huh? Of course it did.
What she did was horrible, no doubt about it. But I believe, that she truly believes, she’s doing what is best. Is she right? Not at all. But in her mind, she’s doing what’s right. Her thoughts are unfortunately twisted and she believes by helping the Jailer she will truly set everyone free. To her, she is doing what’s right.
I dont feel like Arthas should be redeemed either.
- Purged an entire city
- Relieved Uther of command
- Suspended all the knights of the Silver hand from service
- Burned down the boats once they got to Northrend, lied about it, then blamed and killed the mercenaries he hired
- Took up Frostmourne despite the grave warnings
This was all of his own free will.
Then there were all the things he did after acquiring Frostmourne (which I suppose one could argue that was it still really Arthas at that point or had his mind/soul been lost)
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Sylvanas had no say over becoming a Banshee, you’re right. From the moment she gained her freedom, however, she had full say on everything she did. She bent all her energies and resources towards revenge without any thought to what it would do to those around her. People were sacrificial pawns or, in her own words, “Arrows in the Quiver.”
One can argue she had few other choices. I’d prefer to argue the Developers went down a pretty poor choice of path as far as the story went for her and the Forsaken.
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