It kinda falls flat when the object of the purported “zinger” has no vested interest in master vs. personal loot.
So what I’m sensing here is that they should combine Pathfinder I & II into one achievement, then not introduce it at the midpoint of the expansion.
Sounds good. 
At the very least flying should be trainable in old content.
they do this to encourage pvp and making the world feel alive
i think it should be buyable from the blackmarket AH, maybe like a stolen riders license lol
I don’t like Pathfinder, and it was the reason I unsubbed for some time.
But making flying buyable by gold puts us back where we were in WotLK. Most adults can afford a token, so a price of 100,000 means we’d all just buy our flying and be on our way.
I enjoy zones that are designed with flying in mind, and because I’m on Druid, flight form is part of the class fantasy, which I want to keep. Losing flight form was why I didn’t like Pathfinder.
But if I’m tired of the content, gating flying behind the content won’t make me work any harder. I’m here to play, not to work.
This doesn’t make sense. I started during WotLK which means I’ve always had flying at max level until they started Pathfinder.
Would you really rather have the players who like flying leave the game? That would make no business sense.
I hate the reputation part of it. It’s discouraging for people who start playing mid expansion. If it were just exploring and completing the main story lines in each zone I would be totally ok with Pathfinder.
This would work. It’s not exactly what I wanted, but it’s logical and wouldn’t sentence new players and casuals to a time-consuming, discouraging grind.
And who are most of those casuals? Adults with busy schedules who cannot be forced into spending more time on a game. We have incomes and we can afford subscriptions and the occasional token, but we often have non-negotiable limits on our game time and are easily driven away.
I personally love Pathfinder. Since WoD, I’ve played the game the way Pathfinder’s been laid out - complete the quests in every zone with a main, and work to get exalted with every faction with a main for tabards, mounts etc. And considering they’re sometimes required for allied races, it’s beneficial to just get it done at some point. The only Pathfinder criteria I had to actually work for was the treasure chests in WoD.
That being said, the fact that you included this -
I can respect that. I started in Wrath. 1,000 gold for Northrend flying so I could stop using the Storm Peaks loaner was a huge milestone for me. Earning enough gold during Cata and MoP to get fast flying and 310% flying on my main and most of my alts ALSO felt like a milestone. If we were to revert back to gold purchased flying, it should be a bit of an effort (notwithstanding that one could literally just pay to fly via tokens)
I prefer Pathfinder. If they let you buy your flying at the same time Pathfinder finally completed, without whatever mount or extra bonus one gets from completing it (in WoD it was the skyscreecher thing, in Legion it was the class mounts) I think that would be ok
Wot? So you’d have people BOTH spend all the grind time they do now AND have to buy a token? Many people don’t care about another mount, they just want flying itself.
Time is money and on the consumer’s side of it they’re calculating that time in real world dollars they make much faster than any WoW gold.
I just want flight form back, not even more hoops to jump through.
Many things are competing for my attention and WoW grinding isn’t the biggest one. But driving away players with limited time doesn’t sound like good business.
I’m happy with the exploring and questing part of pathfinder… rep could be tossed in the dumpster.
But pt1 should be for the initially released zones and be available immediately when pt1 is completed. Pt2 should be for the later released zones.
I also wouldnt mind it being on a vendor… but instead of gold it should be X number of non transferable “flying license tokens” or some such that drops from quests pvp or fighting mobs. That way even gold rich players will have to earn them like everyone else.
No? The OP mentioned putting back a gold cost to flying, and threw an amount, 100k. 100k is a bit under what a token would net you. So presumably, a new player or a player that does not have the means could buy flying for $20; whether that is a slippery slope (and coming from SWTOR, I do think it is) is a different discussion.
I’m saying that if they kept Pathfinder in place but wanted to appease people that just wanted to pay to fly, it would have to 1. be unlocked at the same time as pathfinder scheduling to be fair and 2. exclude the mount reward.
You don’t want to jump through hoops, (the hoops being the ‘content’ of the expansion as a whole), so what will flying in the new content facilitate?
Flying license tokens sound to me like another version of rep.
But if they can be earned with PvP that would encourage it. I rarely PvP, I’m quest oriented, but part of the problem with Pathfinder in my mind is that it forces everyone to quest level and a good chunk of people would rather level on PvP, dungeons or pets.
(And again, I say this as someone who quest levels. That part of Pathfinder works for me.)
Pathfinder part 3. Just wait.
I’d totally go for a manasaber speed race through zones now. Or that Horde ridable giant you get in stormsong. Make them summonable.
I’m not trying to avoid content (since I quest level anyway), just time-consuming grind.
It seems a lot of people just fly for transportation. But I used Druid flight form all the time and saw more content with it, not less. I would fly from mob to mob, scale difficult terrain with it and use it to go places where I’d get flagged because while I don’t normally PvP I’m not against it.
I spent tons of time exploring out of the way places with flight form and aquatic form because if there’s something interesting to see, I think that’s fun = worth my time.
The ability to beeline straight from one quest to another actually increases the percentage of time spent on quest goals.
I have a friend who mains a warlock who has decided not to renew his sub because he spends half his game time on flight paths now and it’s just not fun.
As far as gold goes, that ship has sailed with the tokens. Except for purists who refuse to buy, all players with even a little real life disposable income are now gold rich.
I’ve always said this about Pathfinder.
Part 1
1: Becomes acailable at start of expansion /
2: Must complete expansion Lore Master (which has always been the first few zones)
3: Expansion explorer(same zones as above)
4: Must reach ma level
5: Opens flying for toon/s that have complete it.
Pathfinder Part 2.
!: Opens flying for alts and any other toon that has not done Part 1.
I for one think Pathfinder is good for making the game feel alive. second I think the blackmarket should sell flying once pathfinder 2 is live so that people gotta pay gold cap just to get it on one toon and one toon alone. this solve our realm economy issues and the issue of inflation causing higher AH prices. sure people buy tokens but that gold comes from other players, the end result is wow tokens dropping to 20k-40k a token meaning people gotta buy more to get enough to buy flying. end result blizzard can buy them selves back from act-vision
For the last 3 xpacs, I’ve cancelled my sub after the first month of release and come back right before flight returns. At that point, there are huge catch-up mechanics, a content stream rather than trickles, the bugs are more ironed out, classes are somewhat balanced/won’t be changing drastically till next pre-patch, bad systems have been dropped or improved, and flying is just around the corner to level a bunch of alts.
Don’t cancel your sub than till you do the required content