I'm retiring from DEMO

Whelp… I don’t know where to begin… I love this class lore wise, (loved it more pre legion before DH legit stole meta) I WANT to play demo and I’ve tried really hard maining it for the entirety of SL, but I just can’t anymore…
My love for the spec is outweighed by it’s relevance in the state of the game, and I’ve come to understand that it’s not a “get gud” issue, it’s just severely hindered in all aspects of the game.
I love the conjuring style of gameplay it has to offer, even if it’s not the only bursty metamorph we use to have (or the awesome touch of death/demonic leap) I still find it enjoyable!, what I don’t find enjoyable is that there’s NO aspect of the game where demo shines, well except for maybe solo torghast, that’s really fun!
I mean think about it, I know I don’t have the representation of an elite pvp/pvm player to back up my statements.
Pvp: look at the leaderboards for pvp! Demo isn’t playable past 2k, let alone a novice like myself in rbgs/bgs/arena, I’m tanky sure! but my “burst” involves a severely long ramp up, and IF I manage to get off all my CASTS and summon all my demons then I have to HARDCAST my tyrant who then proceeds to CAST his demonfire for pressure.
So that’s not all, lets talk about pet AI specifically not my primary pet;
Imagine I executed my window of burst successfully on a WW…I’ve got my 2nd felguard/vilefiend/tyrant/ 9 Imps(joke in pvp), and he pops karma, if I can’t instantly attack another target all of my non primary pets will kill me with the monks karma, even if I called my primary pet off, If I don’t have another target to swap to within rage I’m goof’d(maybe I’m dumb idk).

But if I was dumb… there’s still PVE:M+ demo dogs build or Implosion legendary is decent… but both are severely outshined by affliction, which isn’t a M+ meta spec as it is…
in raid, you can pull off a niche fat tyrant with pvp health trinket running wilfred’s/VF/GFG/consumption build, necrolord health ++ and you can top the charts within the 2min window, but even with all of that, it’s only brief and requires 20 seconds of hardcasting from opener… whereas affliction can just outright dominate your dps outside of that small window…
Idk man, It’s just sad to see the state of my favorite spec draw the shortstraw time and time again…
I don’t really have the best solutions, maybe kalamazi or wuwi have some ideas, but damn, I want to have a home in a guild, and friends who will M+ higher keys with me, be viable for anything pvp!
Rant over… Thanks for listening.

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Demo has always been the ugly step child of casters. If you PvP, tryout the succubus build. I was getting a little burnt on Tyrant play as well, and the succubus build definitely provided a different feel that was a welcome change. Anyway, DEMO FOR LIFE.

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Yeah I am not even close to competitive but love the class fantasy of demo but it’s just a weird thing to play. I didn’t play in MOP but heard they had a demon form too, shame they took that away

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My idea for legendaries we should of had…
https://us.forums.blizzard.com/en/wow/t/demonology-legendaries-ideas/809578

I loved Meta too… this sort of gives us the Nostalgia back while staying in theme of still being a summoner.

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