Im giving up with brew

Classes Monk
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After my last post here, which got a lot of attention, I bring updates: I’m quitting Brewmaster. I just can’t. The problem is definitely me. If I don’t use everything and the kitchen sink during a sh1t pull or even a sh1t tank bursters, my health drops enough that I’m in danger.

Either my game is bugged and my stagger isn’t working right, or I just don’t know how to play this spec. It doesn’t make sense. My stagger seems like it’s not even working. I’ve read Equinox’s guides, I’ve read Quazii’s guides, I’ve read guides from everyone and their dog. I’ve joined BootyBrew’s stream, I’ve joined Mordrim’s stream, I’ve joined Monksea’s stream, and every other top 20 monk on Raiderio to ask questions. But I just can’t do it. I must be limited, incapable of pressing a few buttons correctly in a child’s game. The first boss of Stonevault was ripping off 80% of my health during the damn tank burst, even while using Dampen Harm with Celestial Brew. And Celestial Brew, by the way, if it’s not with 10 stacks of purified chi, the shield is about as big as my d*** - irrelevant.

You know how much that boss takes from me on Guardian Druid? Less than 30% of my health, and I still have 2 charges of Frenzied Regeneration to use. And in some trash packs, I’m fighting for my life in a key that’s not even that high… I probably use Roll and Tiger’s Lust more than my brews because I have to run from the packs so much.

But seeing those top players on Raiderio doing +13s and +14s, the problem is definitely me. That’s why I’m quitting Brewmaster and focusing only on my Guardian Druid, where I play using just 0.0001% of my brainpower and don’t risk dying. There’s nothing better than hitting Ironfur three times and using Barkskin, watching my health not drop even once. It’s wonderful.

I already have to study a lot in my life. Statistics, linear algebra, econometrics, data analysis, machine learning and whatever else comes my way. I’m not going to spend the rest of my days trying to figure out why I simply can’t do what they do, even when I’m replicating exactly what they do in the same situation or even adapting myself for my reality. I’m tired of getting beaten up with Brew. Good luck for y’all.

This is a rant, and I just needed to get it off my chest.

TL;DR: Brew and I sucks.

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The big factor in all of the top players you are following is their team is setup to support the brewmaster. I would be interested in watching top players run pugs. I’m not saying they couldn’t do it but it would be a lot more entertaining.

I switched to another tank as well. I still play on this guy to fill in but I’m tired of feeling like I’m in an advanced college level course to play this class. the fun factor is gone for me.

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The first boss in SV doing that much is the healers fault for not dispelling at the right time. When the magic dot is dispelled it gives the tank 50% Damage taken reduction.

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Agreed. It’s a bit of both. Brew definitely requires a lot more than most tanks. It’s fairly complicated, and if you mess it up, can be absolutely punishing. But it’s also the weakest tank. Those are simultaneously true. I’m doing 10s right now and there are like 2500 Brewmasters with higher IOs than me according to Raider, so there are literally THOUSANDS of Brewmasters doing high keys successfully right now. It’s not like 4 dudes with their perfect comps - it’s thousands of Brewmasters.

But we’re like 4% of the tanks completing 12s. It’s definitely a Brewmaster problem too. I watched a Guardian do a +12 Stonevault without a healer on Youtube. He uses about 2-3 buttons most of the time. It’s insane. I can’t blame you for choosing the play the tank that does 3x better than we do for 1/100th the effort.

Ultimately, Blizzard is the problem. They just don’t seem to care at all.

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Compare tank cooldowns on other tanks to brew and you start to see where the problem is apart from needing like 1-3 more purifying brew charges and a bigger stagger bar. They have damage cooldowns that also provide mitigation or empower parts of their rotation on top of the dr. edit: and just generally stronger/better cooldowns.

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I moved on to paladin for this season; as much as people curse paper prot pal, it’s okay for the content I’m doing.

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Is that what it is? I tried this on a 10 at 614 and he slapped right through my health and dampen. The lil celestial brew wasn’t going to save me. I think it was 16m shots that I absorbed 11m and died to 6m insta hits. I figured I needed to get to 620-622 before I do that again. Even on an 8 he slapped!

This is by far my only boss issue as BRM. I’ve timed all 8s and working on 9s and 10s. This guy hits like a truck though.

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I tend to avoid Stonevault on Tyrannical now just because of that 1st boss, it hits way too hard and I’m not a Warrior/Druid

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1st stonevault is poorly designed. Its a tank busting boss that is up to the healer to deal with and there is nothing about the fight to indicate how it works.

I didnt think brew was that bad until watching a druid with no healer doing bigger pulls than i can do with a healer.

Basically no advantage to brew right now. No brez, needs the most healing of all tanks and has around the same damage output.

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It’s the damage for me, it feels like we do absolutely none. With keg smash and fire breath being our bread and butter it feels like we’re really not even doing anything. On my warrior it feels kinetic using shield slam or shield charge. Thunder clap has impact. When I use ignore pain or shield block I know I’m protecting my self. As a monk, it’s just floaty and nothing seems to be impactful.

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I ran a delve with a 593 prot warrior. I swear i healed hom once. I run the same on my brew who 606 and it feels.way different

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I’m surprised you made it this long. I quit my brew week 1, but unfortunately it’s roll prot war/druid or bust at this point. Every other tank has way too many failure points and/or complexity with no changes in sight.

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Well, me too.

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The thing about BrM = if you run away with high stagger - you’re 100% dead.
Yes, there are times we need to RoP and dash away, but without CDR on brews, we are as good as dead, unless you utilize Black OX Brew to reset your brews, but sitting on CD’s is also not a good thing.

BrMs work, just not as well and require MUCH more effort to achieve somewhat similar results. Much more.

And Im only doing 9’s. I can’t imagine myself doing 11’s or 12’s.

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I mained DH Veng the last 3 xpacs getting 3k almost all seasons. Switched to BRM this season and man it does feel like hard mode. Fired up my 592 DH and was easily doing 4s. And the DH damage is really good. When you pop meta, it shows in the meters. I’m sticking with brm because I like it but it’s much harder to get into keys now, even as a tank.

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Unfortunately your right on the money. I adore Monk, but I’ve stopped doing Brew also. Warrior just outclasses them entirely. Feels like Blizzard is giving us the Demonology treatment right now. IE: “We’d rather you didn’t play Brewmaster”.

Windwalker is fun, slower than it should be due to the gutting of energy regen / haste but fun. Mistweaver is thankfully a saving grace also, which is good. I’ll probably swap to Shaman in a patch or two though if Blizzard doesn’t get it together.

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The irony of a spec thats whole class fantasy is being drunk to avoid damage is somehow the hardest to play hasnt escaped me.

Brewmaster should be so easy to do well on you can do it drunk.

But no while ur character wades back and forth and flops around u gotta sweat hard to keep him alive.

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I wanted to see how master of harmony works. I was able to self-sustain myself against the raider target dummy for about 10 mins before running out of steam and dieing. That was with forgetting to vivify, but also using blackout combo mostly with keg smash for maximum celestial and purifying brew use. How does this compare to your experiences?

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Ik, I was just joking.