Other QOL changes would be nice and all, but specs literally can’t operate without mana in Classic. It was laughable to me throughout every raid tier of Classic at how easy it was to go OOM as enh; I basically sneezed and there went 60% of my mana. Having 1k more mana and 1% spell crit from Int isn’t gonna change the fact that my spec of choice isn’t amazing, but it’ll keep it from being the meme tier garbage that it will inevitably be in endgame SOM.
The same goes for other meme specs, which are all conveniently non-clothies. Boomies, ele and ret could all use more mana from gear for PvE which would only minimally affect their status in PvP. Hunters will actually be fine-ish regardless but will go OOM incredibly easily, which is the main weakness they have that clothies don’t so they’d definitely appreciate more Int being on their gear as well. The only ones standing to benefit from more Int on leather, mail and plate dps gear are meme specs as well as melees that are trying to raise their weapon skill lol.
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Give a go and see what happens. That’s the potential beauty of this. There are some unknowns. There will still be a flow chart, but at least now it has some blanks in it.
I highly doubt huge changes to itemization are any more likely to happen than class balance changes. it should be obvious why.
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The problem with class balancing is determined by the end.
The End of SoM is dumping us into Classic Era. They’d have to revert all the changes, and possibly make people unhappy with going back to meme.
Honestly, just buff memes MP5/Int/Hit, and delete the characters at the end of the season then, cuz it’s a worse fate than not getting any changes and going to a dead end.
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Duck the meta and go what you want because the way thingswent in ebta suggest even though memes were not buffed they will be sought after more for their class mechanics. as Buffed MC is showing that there is more to raiding then burst dps warriors and rogues
(which according to blizzard them self they said those groups did the worst in the beta)
I am going Arcane priest which is basically trying to be a affliction warlock with SWP and starshards. No lifetap, but amazing mana regen, not a dps pumper but a mana pumper being it probably has the best mana regen of any class/build.
(weaving hoylfire/mindblast depending on build/debuffs/etc…)
All they really had to do was add some mana longevity mechanics to the meme specs.
And then like a taunt for paladin and maybe a better consecrate coefficient.
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That’s true and raises the question of the intention for future Seasons. Is Blizz never going to do any kind of class changes because characters will always be merged into existing Classic Servers and those changes would be reverted?
Mana crutch for meme specs won’t help arms warriors. Won’t help sub rogues. What do you propose for arcane mages? If you want to “help” one you gotta help em all. Lmk how much more OP you want elemental and arms to be just so u can raid as these specs
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This is the flaw of just increasing health of bosses. They buffed some classes and nerf others hard.
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I propose they cast frostbolt, like they already do.
The “frost build” has more points in arcane than it does in frost, btw.
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You know this isn’t really an argument. Arms warriors and sub rogues could.out dps any meme spec with ease. Noone is asking for balances to the point that memes are on par, just enough that they can be bought to a raid. Even with mana buffs they still wouldn’t out dps an arms warrior or sub rogue.
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meme specs were always a charity case in Vanilla and always will be without class changes. This product is for netease token sales in GDKP’s for Q4 earnings, gameplay is at the back of the line on this product.
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I don’t think some basic mp5 buffs are gonna bring enhancement shamans or ret paladins on par, or even close to warriors. I feel like people completely forget about Execute
Noones advocating for then to be bought up to a warriors standards. Just to not have such abysmal dps that even when try Harding you are still bottom of the meters. I’m sure MP5 wont work on some of them but Its an easy non gamebreaking fix. Doesn’t change the way classes play and doesn’t hamper PvP (which is far from balanced anyway) as much as people like to claim it will.
Honestly more int is barely going to do anything. They could double the meme spec’s mana bars and the only real effect of that is you go OOM 1 minute into the fight instead of 30 seconds.
Which between the loss of world buffs in raids and the increased raid boss HP, simply trying to have your mana bar outlast the boss isn’t going to be much of an option this time around.
It’s also worth keeping in mind that Holy Paladin and Resto Shaman/Druids will be eyeing the gear as well if it’s potent enough in mana regen. If you try to give it crazy amounts of MP5 to prop up meme specs there’s a point where even the Holy Paladins will start wanting it. Even more so if it also has crazy amounts of int which gives them spell crit.
and let’s be real here: It would need to be an insane amount of int/MP5 to prop up the meme specs to the point where your DPS is not so abysmal that even when try harding you’re still the bottom of the meters. This isn’t something where a buff of 10-20% is going to make any change the situation with meme specs.
This is why I’ve said in other threads that the problems with these specs is fundamental and not really something that can be fixed by simply turning a few dials. Not without breaking something else balance wise anyway.
I know people say “But any buff would be welcomed”, however I imagine there would be mass complaints if it went from “abysmal bottom of the meter DPS” to “slightly less abysmal but still bottom of the meter DPS”.
and the gap between meme specs and the lower tier serious specs is quite large in Classic.
Listening to the cries of the meme spec. fanatics is one of the fatal mistakes they’ve already made … and, thankfully, they know that. This knowledge is why no significant item/class “balancing” is going to happen.
There’s already a version of this game where everyone can do everything, where the Tolkien/D&D-esque class fantasy has been destroyed, and where participation trophies abound. No need for these sorts of things to be in SoM, too.
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and yet they changed stuff that did change class balance. Generally speaking further hardening the balance cept for warlocks since they can avoid the oom with Life tapping.
yes but only indirectly… and only in raids… surely you can appreciate the difference
Like I noted, it was pretty much only good for non-mana users, and Warlocks.
Still changed stuff, and Raids are later portion of end-game, with Dungeons being the early portion. I know.
It hardens The Warrior, Rogue advantages of not having a non-replenishing supply of resources. Let’s say they did this, but cut their rage/energy regeneration in half and/or their max pools in about half (Sarcasm) also.
See, the difference between arms warr, sub rogue and meme specs is that arms and sub actually function. Heck arms may get more popular with gear being more competitive haha