by ‘flourished’ you mean the levelers who knew what to do were either healing the twinks on their team or CCing enemy twinks- and literally doing nothing more -until the higher brackets.
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Yeah, it was literally a game decided before it started. Just count up the twinks.
BGs with 20-80 people should be about all of them, not a handful of twinks.
Every single game with a twink in it was worse, even if my team had them and we won. Every single game without them was a better game.
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You shouldn’t be leveling in BGs you should be PvPing. Something they can fix by reversing the mistake of adding experience to BGs ruining PvP.
Again we can fix this by removing experience in BGs. You should just play the game and when you want to PvP you do a BG. After getting a few nice blue items the fun was taking a break from leveling to actually test your power and skill in PvP. Then maybe stay and Twink some or keep leveling that was the fun.
Wish Blizzard never catered to people with bad ideas that ruined PvP. It’s players like you that are the problem not Twinks. Why ruin PvP just so you can level in it! That is selfish.
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Same. Thankfully they reinstated the separation again, so it seems they’re going down the right road!
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This is wrong. You still get ilvl 50 gear for the pillar quests. I finished one this morning.
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I like both 
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Then don’t complain when you get 1 shot by someone with better gear because you didn’t want to gear up and Min/Max 
PvP participation would drastically go up and the BG experience would be infinitely better if we removed experience from PvP. Lets keep PvE and PvP separate so we can enjoy PvP fully.
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It’s a change on the PTR.
It’s not live yet then.
Here’s a SS of one of the pieces on the PTR. It’s ilvl 25 now.
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No it wouldn’t, if that were the case, XPoff would be thriving or combined queues would have been enjoyable for people who are not twinks.
Levelling via PVP is not PVE, so not sure why you are saying they need to be separated.
Just for a point of reference, how many “levellers” are joining low level BGs in Classic?
Lastly, low level BGs are thriving right now. Short queues and a lot of fun when there aren’t these XP hacks with triple the stats of everyone else.
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They have an ABSOLUTE RIGHT to PvP and level, why because Blizzard allows it. To deny a PvP person XP because they want to do BG’s is just absurd. Would you deny XP to a PVE only person, of course not! They even included XP for picking flowers! No matter how much you cry foul you cannot change it.
Selfish is people thinking only one way should provide XP. 
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These have been adjusted (correctly scaled to character level) on my higher levels also on PTR. It was a full out rescaling adjustment, for all levels obtained.
We are clearly awaiting an adjustment, and with so many options for gearing this will immensely allow more freedom/customization. 
Deeper customization combined with build variety is always welcomed.
Gearing up for battlegrounds/pvp has always been fun, and this is a winner!
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I agree more customization is better, but not if some people have things that no one else can get because ilvl was grandfathered in to some gear that was obviously OP on launch.
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I’m grabbing all the socketed gear from TBC dungeons.
The 400hp I lost can be made up with different enchants and gems. The gear nerfs were expected and not a big deal.
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The act of leveling is PvE didn’t think that needed explaining. It is a PvE aspect of the game. It should be done in PvE then when you want to test your power and PvP you should que for PvP. It isn’t complicated and we had the best PvP when this was the case.
Random BGs aren’t competitive and are very watered down with people there for so many different reasons. Having a bunch of players there for only experience instead of PvP can ONLY hurt PvP. This is just common sense. 
They need to just remove experience from BGs and make it about PvP again so it can flourish. Again that is common sense.
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check out what can be crafted and scaled down. some of the wod crafted pvp stuff has sockets. also there is crafted green/blue gear with 2 piece set bonuses. im wearing 2 sets scaled down its like having a free enchant.
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Bugfathered.
Indeed, now we can focus on the good stuff. 
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Probably why the xp off twink bracket is thriving … oops . It’s so thriving that games don’t even pop.
Thank god the devs don’t listen to you .
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Yea those players quit the game. So that is just less PvP players. You obviously don’t get it. If there is only 1 Que and we removed experience from BGs they would thrive and have people that love PvP in them. I really don’t think you look at this situation objectively from a birds eye view. We need more PvP players and people wanting to play this game not less.
It’s just like Templates at max level look at how it ruined PvP and made tons of players that hated it Quit the game. We don’t want these terrible ideas throttling player participation to where they just don’t play.
If we want PvP to flourish again we need to go back to what worked when PvP was amazing like TBC etc.
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^ This.
It’s so obvious that the vast majority of players in lower level bgs are levelers.
When twinks were given the opportunity to exclusively play against other twinks, that didn’t work out so well.
Blizzard should not be trying to cater to twinks.
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Yea that is bad for PvP People should be there to PvP… just Yikes…
Baffled at some of you guys post that aren’t even thinking about this.
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