I’ve been looking all over and can’t really find anything official regarding the status of the Illidari since Illidan left. I’m having problems trying to figure out how to RP a demon hunter in this expansion. How has everybody else been treating it?
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Now you know what it’s like to be a death knight. ![:frowning:](https://d38bqls1q93fod.cloudfront.net/en/wow/images/emoji/twitter/frowning.png?v=6" ":frowning:")
Don’t worry, you’ll get a relevant story-line in like… 4 more expansions if they follow the same pattern as they did with us dead folk.
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If by Relevant you mean not actually accomplish anything of value.
Ouch, my man. Right in the feels!
Marius and Tehd make an appearance in Zandalar!
Other than that uuuuh…
I’d be willing to bet that aside from those completely apathetic to everything but killing demons, the vast majority of Kaldorei Demon Hunters would not hesitate to apply themselves to replacing their battle against the Legion with the opposite faction.
The Horde has been, after all, objectively more damaging to the Kaldorei this expansion than the Legion was in the entire time since the Third War. They burned almost half the population of innocent civilians alive in Teldrassil. There’s really no staying ‘neutral’ on something like that, especially if you became Illidari to stop such things from happening when the Legion was the one doing it.
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I don’t disagree with you but yet I can’t imagine my character taking up arms against another demon hunter (unless there was some sort of demonic cause). I guess I mostly just wanted to be free to meld my own character’s motivations without someone saying ‘it’s not what the Illidari did/would do’. It looks like I’m pretty free to do that.
I thought that was a double post for a second!
Anyway, now that the Legion is gone and papa Illidan is indisposed, you lot can freely get hammered in the Pig & Whistle.
At least, that’s what i’d be doing if I had been fighting like the Illidari for that long and now had down time.
Just because Sargeras was defeated doesn’t mean that the Legion is gone. Remnants are likely to be active all across Azeroth, either in numbers capable to wreck havoc or in hiding, waiting for their next move.
Blood Elf DH’s who’s loyalties lie with the Illidari are likely to be focusing on these…while Kaldorei - just as likely to fight remnants - have probably gone full Rambo on the Horde.
Look at it through their perspective…they sacrificed everything to save their people - and all others. Their leader - the one who just recently was a major game changer against the Legion - was a Night Elf who reached across faction lines to rally and defeat the Legion, love it or hate it Sargeras’ defeat was largely thanks to him.
And not even a full year later, their people are betrayed and wholesale slaughtered like pigs because some idiot Banshee-Queen thought Anduin was a warmonger. The fruits of their sacrifice was to see those they loved get burned to death by those they fought alongside and saved.
Needless to say, they are probably pissed. And especially at Blood Elf Demon Hunters who side with the Horde - how can they call them brothers/sisters if they fight for those who massacred their people, after all they’ve gone through, spitting in the legacy of Illidan himself?
I’d imagine the current schism with the Horde is ten times worse for the Blood Elf Illidari. They’ve fought alongside Kaldorei their whole demon hunting career, putting their loyalty in Illidan Stormrage, who chose to stay behind on Argus. The genocide of the Night Elves probably feels awfully bitter, many being able to empathize due to their experience with Arthas, as well as the massive middle finger to Illidan’s legacy.
Now, outside of Quel’thelas, the Belf Illidari have very little reasons to be loyal to the Horde in the first place, having been independent from WC3-TBC, before being put in Cryo until Legion. They probably have very little concept of the Horde before Sylvanas and look what she’s done in her short reign. Hell, they probably have more kinship with the Kaldorei - as the Kaldorei under Illidan took them in to teach them the ways of the hunt - than the orcs/trolls as they never experienced the rise of the Horde firsthand, instead they’ve probably just been told that ancient racial tensions got better while they were asleep.
To them, with the destruction of Quel’thelas ever present in their mind, seeing the same fate to befall their Illidari half-brothers/sisters at the hands of the nuScourge (remember, the years of Belf/Forsaken relations occurred when they were snoozing in their Felpods) probably feels like a personal affront.
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Hence this little joke name for my bank guild.
Naz saw his homeland destroyed by undead monsters, swore vengeance alongside Kael, and ended up beside Illidan. Since the Burning Crusade he’s been fighting beside Kaldorei. There’s absolutely no reason for him to support the Horde in this endeavor. He may not see eye to eye (no pun intended) with his night elven brethren, but blood elves should know before anyone what it’s like to have your home destroyed and people massacred, by undead, no less. The Sylvanas he would follow was the “What joy is there in this curse?” one, not the “I was shown sympathy by a dying foe! Burn it! REEE!” Sylvanas.
I sometimes try to do some cross-faction conversing via demonic with night elf demon hunters out in the world, sadly, most just never reply and move along.
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I think it would vary between individual DH’s. Nelf DH’s would of course be pretty angry about Teldrassil, but which of them decide to take up arms against the Horde and which prioritize keeping Azeroth from dying could vary.
Belf DH’s I feel would be a bit more pragmatic and be more concerned with Azeroth. Some of them may even view Sylvanas as a threat and be keeping an eye on her.
A thing I don’t see people talking about enough is that there are a lot of things that could hasten Azeroth’s demise and demon hunters would naturally be pretty determined to keep the planet they sacrificed everything to protect alive. Also, there’s the fact for the DH champion, they’d have a Heart of Azeroth on them so it’s not like they need to be a healer to help heal Azeroth.
My guy here thinks the faction war is stupid and everyone’s an idiot for screwing up the planet more with petty wars instead of focusing on the real problem at hand. He’s just at the front lines to stop any threats to Azeroth and do damage control on the war, and everyone can either pitch in or stay out of his way.
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This, right here. Anyone who’s played the original Warcraft III games knows Illidan didn’t give a %^&# about the faction conflict between Alliance and Horde, even before being banished. Why would he? It’s short-sighted and just plain stupid to fight over a forest or a gold mine when there’s an enemy seeking global annihilation.
In the context of BfA, I’d like to think that the Illidari’s mission, for the most part, stays the same: protect the entire planet, not one nation or another. Faction-wise, that obviously translates to aiding the Champions of Azeroth first and foremost.
That being said, the Old Gods are definitely on the Illidari’s list as well, especially considering Xe’ra herself warned Illidan about the Voidlords. Given Sylvanas’ genocide of Teldrassil, as well as the fact that she’s practically indistinguishable from Arthas at this point, the Banshee Queen is also a very close second after Azshara and N’Zoth.
In many ways, nothing’s really changed–the Alliance/Horde war continues, but those who truly followed Illidan’s path will put petty faction differences aside for the greater good. Given that the Horde themselves seem to be gearing up for a second revolution (Saurfang and Thrall vs. Sylvanas and Nathanos), this remains just as true for Blood Elf demon hunters.
Last I checked, The Slayer is in charge.
So find a new quarry, I guess? Like Illidan said, “A Hunter is nothing without the Hunt.”
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I think it’s important to keep in mind that while we are Illidari, we’re not Illidans. Your character should (hopefully) have more of a /reason/ to join with the Illidari than just to defeat the Legion. That was a goal, an objective, but it wasn’t the /reason/ they joined.
Did your character join because they felt powerless? Powerhungry? Desperate to find more ways to fight? An altruistic desire to defend Azeroth? A desire to simply see your enemies defeated? Obligation, patriotism? Selfishness? Fear?
These are all different, and important, things that go into making up a character, not just an Illidari. If your character feels they are ‘done’ just because the Legion is defeated, that’s simply an insufficiently developed character. Keep in mind no matter what side of the fence you are on, your character is a long lived (at least century+) elf that has committed only a handful of years to this endeavor, unless you are playing a kaldorei that followed Illidan pre-WC3 (Which is a different topic entirely).
Something to think on for any character, honestly. People focus too much on the /means/ but not the /desire/.
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Honestly, the whole sudden 180 into factional slap fighting after we worked years together to punch space satan in the jimmies and help illidonk just feels … like someone threw a bowl of spaghetti at a board of plot ideas.
Good luck DH buddies.
The Illidari only really worked together along faction lines for the same reason all the other classes did. They were just a bit ahead of their time.
Even Kael’thas has some fairly dismissive lines in concerns to Illidan - all of Illidan’s direct allies were in it for fairly selfish reasons, not exactly feeling altruistic towards the potential of everyone collaborating for the greater good. And yes, I know, using Kael’thas and Illidan as an example for that doesn’t really work as far as current factions but, I think the spirit of the idea holds true.
As I recall, Vandel in the novel Illidan even points out that the night elves and blood elves never really got along, they just cooperated. They kept themselves largely separate when duties didn’t demand otherwise. Cooperation is a long way away from “Why would we ever fight one another?”
It’s not too different from trying to play literally any druid in the Horde these days, or Alliance players working to free Saurfang in the upcoming patch. That’s just Blizzard being Blizzard.
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Not only that, the Illidari Councilors themselves cared more about the Outland campaign than Illidan’s true mission–it’s outright stated in the novel that Outland was “a sideshow” to Illidan, a stepping stone toward taking the fight to Argus. Illidan never bothered letting the four councilors in on the plan because, frankly, he knew they cared more about power, territory, status, etc., and he thought he could use that ambition to further his own agenda.
That being said, even if factions don’t necessarily get along, cooperation is definitely possible–we’ve seen this during Warcraft III, heck, during World of Warcraft. The Battle for Mt. Hyjal, the Battle at the Wrathgate, the opening cinematic of Legion (one of Sylvanas’ few good moments).
So cooperation has been shown to be possible, even if the moments where it’s been exemplified are relatively few and far between.
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Best post ever!