I mained demon hunter in Legion, BFA and first half of shadowlands. Each new iteration kinda got worse, removing&reworking stuff that was fun, but OP in Legion (like bloodlet)
Dragonflight has restored EVERYTHING and put SL abilities on top. And i hate it.
Meta build have so many abilities, that interconnect with each other so hard, you need to actively plan your rotation. I’ve never used Essence Break, but now it’s super strong and mandatory pick. I hate fodder.
On top of that there’s momentum, demonic and having to throw glaives at the same time. + Fire rune that was tank only ability. And felrush after immo aura.
Like, current demon hunter is like having ALL talents picked at the same time in all previous expansions combined.
And i used to enjoy simplicity of super-mobile DH. I’m sure lots of you love how much DH now can do and “two-button” meme is dead in practice.
My current main is frost mage, that is actually even more simple than old demon hunter
My biggest gripe with Havoc in DF is that it didn’t preserve the playstyle of Legion to Shadowlands (before Sinful Brand with double leggos).
If I don’t want to use Momentum, Essence Break and Throw Glaive talents, then I can’t do any respectable damage and this shouldn’t be the case.
Most times I bring up how much I dislike the new Havoc, people remind me it does great damage in dungeons but that isn’t the point, it just isn’t fun to play anymore. I don’t care if it does the most damage in the game, I hate the playstyles.
All I ever wanted for Havoc was maybe 1 more defensive and 1 more short CD to use between Meta windows.
For keys I run glaive tempest, momentum, meta/eye beam talents and crit talent with no fodder and stacking crit/haste and it’s super viable in keys with good single too. It’s super fun.
Ragefire and mastery/glaive build never appealed to me whatsoever.
yall focusing on momentum when things like fodder and ip exist, its absolutely hilarious how everyone here brings attention to the one thing that isnt making havoc dung
It isn’t fun to play. No maintenance buff ever has been. You don’t have to be condescending about it.
I play DH for multiple reasons, chief among them is that I was in an accident and am physically disabled and play with one hand with buttons on my MMO mouse. The addition of so many buttons all at once at the start of DF and needing multiple weakauras to track maintenance buffs has made it very stressful and unfun for me. DH was accessible but now it doesn’t feel like that. I’m just hoping Blizzard does something to take it back to its Legion - SLs playstyle. I don’t think there is anything hilarious about voicing how I feel.
essence break and all the stacking buffs to manage for a big “go” are the reason its unfun with no other real options to play and viable unless break is spec’ed.
this is the current complaint, people flocked to dh for the fast paced fun simplicity with great mobility, now its just a mish mash of crap that a few of the mods in the fel hammer and their buds advocated and pushed for while drowning out other who wanted a more simplicistic and fun playstyle.
beyond popular belief, this has always been true for alot other specs.
no sense in arguing, the momentum/break crowd will cry and complain while hurling insults to make sure only one playstyle they like is viable in real content. they do not want options and are the same people drowning out and banning people on the discord for having a different opinion from a few individuals who run the show. Even though they are the minority and are actively making everyone in this community disgruntled.
I really don’t think they can help being condescending and, really, down right obnoxious about it.
I think more than anything they are trying really, really hard to silence anyone who doesn’t like the playstyle to minimize the chances blizz makes changes they won’t like.
But yea I get they wanted to make a mobile melee DPS but they reaaaallly hinge to hard on the mobile part and i’ve seen so many DH’s get squished cause they are forced to use momentum and they dash right into bad stuff and die. Can’t DPS while you’re dead there chief.
Blizz should just remove it. I’ve been using a glaive tossing build but something feels off at times about DH. Like some of their CD’s just feel slightly too long. It then feels mashy while you’re waiting. For a class that is actiony it feels very slow.
DH seems to suffer the fact they where put in for the sake of it and story but they weren’t that well thought out and have to deal with ICONIC abilities from one character. You’re playing a lesser Illidan instead of being your own style. What if i don’t want Eye Beams? I have to have it because its ICONIC.
I like Hunt. I hate visuals. Made sense in SL (somewhat), but now it just looks dumb for fel demon to have this blue sparkle effect
Should look like in HOTS for Illidan
no one was banned on the discord for having a different opinion, they got yeeted from the discord because they got hyper aggressive and literally sent personal attacks at the dev and other people who liked momentum. get off yoru highhorse.
my apologizes, i didnt know that was your situation. hopefully you find a way to enjoy the class while accommodating yoru disability. i do agree they should cut back on the amount of maintence buffs hdh has to do damage. removing demonic, making momentum longer or stacking, removing sg, ect ect
people just want other viable and on par options, idk why the momentum/break crowd is so adamant to fight against this to ruin the game for everyone else
I am glad people have fun with Havoc’s current iteration, just to clarify. It is a can of worms or Pandora’s Box now though. There is no way Blizzard can appease or make happy both sides of the Havoc DH crowd now.
Thank you, I didn’t mean to sound rude. You’re not a mind reader, nor is anyone else. My frustration is with Blizz and devs, not other players.
I switched to Vengeance at the end of SLs, they didn’t get much added so it doesn’t push my limitations. And I am trying my hardest to play the popular builds for Havoc, I’ll get there with some time and patience.
People complain about Momentum getting them killed but in my experience, you need to have knowledge of the dungeons and mobs so you don’t go splat. Also choosing your angles, you don’t need to Fel Rush to stand with the tank. xD
ya i get ya, i understand where your com,ing from. if it can offer some degree of comfort. a no mover build is being cooked up that only uses felrus 22 times in a 5min compared to momentum overuse of it in sims. unfort it still uses VR for init. but at high ilvl it sims about 800 behind the regualr movement build. i hope you can find use for it
People complaining about Momentum need to understand that the reason it’s mandatory now is precisely because they complained about it. It used to be a capstone talent in the beta but because people on here wouldn’t shut up about it and made the Castle Nathria build their hill to die on the devs, in their incompetence, put it in a position in the tree where it would be accessible in any build you could think of.
I know this is a bitter pill for a lot of you to swallow but this isn’t the same company that kept plates spinning for us from classic to mists. Ghostcrawler is gone and isn’t coming back. You are not reaching people with a passion for crafting an experience, you are talking about developers who are cycled in and out during the time of pay to win Diablo Immortal and OW2 scrapped single player. You are lucky you have momentum designed in such a way that it’s only a 5% difference at most and maybe just a 1% difference if all you do is used VR/UBC.
And from there, apply that philosophy to the rest of DH. I don’t like Serrated Glaive for instance, yet another maintenance buff as opposed to the original havoc philosophy of impactful, self-contained abilities, does not feel good. Missing the last strike of BD in an EssB window does not feel good. Hitting UBC tho does feel good. Seeing Ragefire go off does feel good. Casting The Hunt always feels good. Doing my little FR/FB VR/FR Momentum dance like I always have? I don’t care if it’s just for a maintenance buff, I like to dance. I’m glad I still have that much.
I honestly don’t expect this company to ever get back on its feet, it seems like every other department is at war with upper management or cannibalizing itself, so the fact I still have something that feels rewarding to play in the midst of that madness? Hell. How long do you think we even have left of this? Every tier content rushed through, every tier half the specs are redesigned. Something’s got to give. So if there’s anything I enjoy, I enjoy it while I still can. If there’s anything I have to complain about? Well, do I need it for min/max? Then min/max is what I chose; suck it up. Is there anything I still enjoy? Well that’s the real reason I’m playing.
Half of you post in these threads probably don’t even prog mythic or push keys as havoc. Is your anguish really that important? There’s still a game worth playing beneath all this and it’s still there for you to enjoy if only you’d get over yourselves.
You are almost right about Blilzzard. Except they just did a re-work on ret pally that, imo, was a huge quality of life improvement. No reason they couldn’t do that good of a job on havoc.
The pill that might be really hard to swallow is that your opinion is no more or less valid than people who “probably don’t even prog mythic or push keys.” If they got rid of momentum all together (and I’m not advocating for that fyi) is your anguish really all that important? Blizzard is not making a game only for those who do high-end content - in fact that is not even close to the majority of the player base. Perhaps it is not the people who want their preferential playstyle improved that just need get over themselves, but rather people like you who seem to believe your opinion trumps other’s for whatever reason.
A lot of people who played havoc before DF had to drop it because they either don’t like momentum or the spec just got too difficult. You’re not alone in this opinion.
Don’t worry though, everyone and their dog is complaining about havoc’s playstyle right now. I would be surprised if they didn’t dumb it down at the very least by next expansion.
Yep and this is why I do not run the felrush or momentum garbage talents at all, I ignore all of the left side of the talent tree and instead use like 2/2 Blind fury, isolated prey, Glaive tempest, shattered destiny and etc, the gameplay is far more fun and far less annoying and I’m doing well in term of both single and AOE damage.
To add to what I said just above in this post personally, the only annoying part was to get use to use throw glaive during the rotation from time to time to get the Serrated Glaive talent bonus which is worth and its not too bad since Throw Glaive cost no fury.
If you ignore the momentum garbage build, the class play style can be pretty smooth, simple and fun to play (Not as good as in Legion but details) and your DPS still okay, I would rather do a bit less damage than play a build I absolutely hate.
I just wish the Soulrend and any means necessary talents were buff and did more damage so I could use those over Shattered destiny, so using Throw glaive would be even more worth using.
