If you're Keystone Master are you a good player?

Or are you just some average nobody who is nobody until you’re a Keystone Hero?

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Probably depends on what you consider a good player. I’m terrible at PVP and pet battles. :woman_shrugging:

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Mythic Raider + high rank PvP Rating combo. That means you can react to telegraphed actions and human psychology. Not everyone can do both while being level-headed. Also when losing doesnt get to you.

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i’d say it depends on the goals that someone has…

if someone has never reached 2000 mythic plus rating before and they set that goal, then achieve it… yes, they are a good player.

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No, ksm is free now.

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Idk doesn’t feel free as I have to know what I’m doing. Not to mention for me pugg’ing is anxiety inducing as well.

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Gotta be world first raider, highest key cleared, and rank 1 pvp in 2s/3s/rbgs and solo shuffle

Otherwise you’re not good

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How do I know who has these achieves and who does not? How can I tell who is a nobody and who is a somebody? Do I have to right click on everyone?

Can’t they just give everyone a title so I can keep track?

“The Nobody” for people who don’t have the achieve and “The Somebody” for those that do.

Depends who you ask.

There’s a social bubble surrounding the people who push M+20s and higher and they tend to think anything below them is garbage baby crap and anyone should be able to do a +15 in their sleep while 40 ilvl undergeared.

You’ll notice it when people start talking about “high keys” and the keys they’re talking about don’t even start until after the rewards for them stop scaling.

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Yeah I got that impression as well it’s weird.

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Both KSM and KSH were always free

yeah it doesn’t count unless you’re in the top 1,000 players in the world at .1% amirite?

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Keystone Master and Hero are freebies.

Especially this season where dungeons just explode.

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To me it feels like a real achievement and the dungeons didn’t explode when I was in them while PuGGing.

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Players with good mogs are good players. Someday I hope to be one.

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To answer the question of the title, no

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Depends on how much it costs.
If it’s only like 10k gold then yea, it’s good.
If it’s closer to 100k gold or more, no , it’s bad.

Cheap=good
expensive=bad

I think a big thing is that a lot of pugs in the 10-15 range are kind of a nightmare because there’s a lot of players in that range that go boosted up there simply by having better players than them in their groups. You could probably argue that this range is harder to pug in than 20s simply because by the time you’re doing 20s, you can assume everyone there more or less knows what they’re doing. You don’t get to make that assumption for 15s.

Obviously 20s are much harder, but when there’s a more consistent level of player doing them, it’s going to feel different. And people who are used to doing 24s together going and doing a 15 are going obviously going to find it trivial.

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Wait people pay for this? I’ve been just climbing from the low keys upwards.

I have KSH and AOTC, and I’m pretty sure I’m still an average nobody. :sob:

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