Honest question to the masses here that will defend LFR to their death bed.
I don’t get why people want to defend a system that basically takes the place of content that would be way better suited to solo players that hate raiding?
I understand that the story is completed in raids and that is why people that hate raiding need to stop defending LFR and demand Blizzard put the story into a better vehicle for you to enjoy instead of an anonymous and toothless version of raiding.
I think it sucks for so many players that hate raiding and group content are basically being forced into content so a small minority of players can have raid content.
I’ve noticed a lot of people who come here to defend certain content, don’t even do that content.
It’s like people who cheered and praised Blizzard for forcing personal loot on raiding guilds, when in reality a good raiding guild always has an established loot system everyones agreed too.
If you join a guild that doesn’t then it’s a bad guild and you should leave, because yea obviously you will have drama. But these people have never been part of a real, functioning guild.
But they look at all guilds from their perspective in a cesspool guild.
Many people think LFR is the only difficultly they can achieve. They’ve limited themselves before even trying to branch out to other difficulties. Or they had a negative experience with real raiding 10 years ago and have it set in their head that it’s always like that or always bad. Self defeating attitudes. So when someone says take LFR away they think their one and only way to see a raid would disappear.
So many people defend systems like LFG, LFR and so on, due to negative experiences they had, and they refuse to branch out or step their foot into the water again.
If you give up on things because of a few bad apples, you’ll rarely get anything done in your life.
You are starting off wrong. People may not hate raiding in and of itself but they may dislike the perceived culture around raiding. LFR allows people to satisfy their raiding bug without having to jump through the hoops of normal+ raiding. Times change, people change, and players needs and/or wants change. Besides many games have different difficulties, it is not like WoW is doing something different or new.
There is a gatekeeping method. = Normal and up.
And there is the non-gatekeeping method = LFR/LFG.
I am sick and tired of those that want to gatekeep using every excuse under the sun to get rid of content that is without gatekeeping. LFR/LFG does not effect you if you do not use it. If you do not like it, then don’t use it.
Sadly some in this community have serious control issues.
I don’t want it removed. I just feel bad for players who have essentially convinced themselves they can never be raiders.
I use to be just like them, I hated the idea of raiding, I had a bad experiences in bad guilds, why would I wanna be with those elitist?
Then in Legion I joined an actual guild. They had a good officer core, they had established loot rules, people were friendly, and for the first time in WoW I truly raided.
Not everyone is on a bustling server like you. My server is dead. There are no decent guilds anymore.
That aside, I just want in and out, experience the story, and then be done with it. I don’t want to spend hours throwing myself at a boss over and over, wasting thousands of gold a week on enchants and consumables and gems.
I spend my gold on things that really matter: mounts and transmog.
Not sure if you have some false equivalence going on there, because I haven’t really seen that. At most, all I’ve seen is that players who dislike raiding as a whole not hopping on the “get rid of LFR” complaints that come around every so often.
From my own perspective, I dislike raiding (just not the sort of content I enjoy) and I ESPECIALLY dislike LFR (always seem to find the worst people in there)… but that doesn’t necessarily mean I think either of them should be removed. Even if I don’t, other people still enjoy them.
So far, I’ve pretty much only done the bare minimum for raiding in BfA (I think two LFR wings to advance the War Campaign)… probably couldn’t stomach any more than that.
What I’d like to see is raiding de-emphasized within the game – and that’s or ALL difficulties of raiding. Leave it in for those who enjoy it… just don’t make it the nexus for the central plot of the expansion.
Make it a sidestory, possibly relevant but not essential.
This is very true, and actually fits in with the de-emphasizing that I was mentioning above.
However, it doesn’t mean I have to hop onto the bandwagon about bashing LFR and asking for it to be removed entirely.
Why does it bother you so much? Go raid and enjoy the harder content and rewards, and more power to you. There should be and is a method for ALL players to experience the storyline they paid for.
Someone else’s enjoyment should not detract from your own.
This is a video game that costs $15 a month to play. A video game I play to unwind after a 12-14 hour shift, with plenty of other stresses in life outside of work. I’m not looking to prove anything, I don’t care about the accomplishments of others or how I compare, I’m simply playing for fun or relaxation.
The last thing I am going to pay for in a video game is content in which I must earn the approval of people I don’t know in order to participate. So LFR is fine. LFG is fine.
My answer has always been. If a person isn’t willing to do what is required to raid. Maybe they shouldn’t raid and why change the game so they can? Earning a raid slot in a guild and progressing is a great feeling people should want to have but LFR lets anyone who chooses to be anti-social, and un-accountable access endgame raid content. Robbing them of a truly great experience.
Some people may like the community of a guild but don’t like the career-like aspect of normal + raiding. Not everyone enjoys the same thing and they wouldn’t necessarily raid if LFR was removed.