What is the issue here?
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There certainly is a degree of irony in all of the Classic Andys who lashed out at literally any change suggestion with “go back to retail!” and demanding their precious broken Classic remain “pure” from even the tiniest quality of life change
And then they come into SoD, the game quite literally advertised as “Classic with changes” and start demanding everything remain the same
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I thought SoD was moreso for either retail players, or for the Classic players that were part ofthe #changes crowd.
just because of changing some things doesnt mean you have to change everything .
classic vanilla is the base of the game and a good base at that.
you guys are missing the point that the tedium and delayed gratification is good to the long term health and rewarding nature of the game.
people have been clamoring and coming back to the “vanilla” version of the game for nearly 20 years.
wholesale changes of qol crap everywhere is what you get in retail and you and i both know that it isnt nearly as rewarding as the old game. not by a long long shot.
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I think that saying some changes are to retail is perfectly fine.
Some want super retail changes while others don’t
Adding RDF/Raid finder is not classic.
Adding something like the Group finder tool from Retail I see as perfectly fine since it just eliminates the shouting in LFG channel.
Personal loot is to Retail keep it classic.
Not needing to drink is to retail keep it classic
Ect
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Pure classic player here
We need a raid finder. But it shouldn’t teleport you. And the raid needs to be the normal raid, not a gimped raid with gimped loot.
The issue is the sod devs are using vanilla design philosophy. Theyve said it so many times. Its vanilla with new abilities and raids. Thats it.
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I don’t mind change as long as it has nothing to do with foo foo from retail…
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well for one thing some changes are bleeding into era 
did they ever fix graveyards breaking stealth when you get too close to em?
this whole point of classic+ is to branch away from retail.
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Blizzard has to stand firm in their beliefs on how the world was suppose to have evolved before all this foo foo was added… right now their trying to rekindle what was lost during that time. I suspect at some point, someone suggested the things we’re now seeing in SoD that was suggested back during the first game release. But was never added. I just hope that they do NOT add these changes to the up coming Cata re-release.
I agree with others sentiment on this topic. Changes are fine. Making it Retail 2.0 is not. What is here now might be enticing to some retail players, but people should not forget the fact Classic exists in the first place is due to people who are tired of retail.
Making it any closer to retail by adding arenas, RBGs, LFG/RF, achievements, etc etc are a major point of contention for Classic players. Keep it as close to Era as possible without adding all of the static and it’ll be fine, like Barbers or Summoning Stones.
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Yeah we should change the combat to turn based card battles, and charge the players for new packs, don’t like it? Retail and era right there!!
Many of us liked no changes classic, but there was one thing that classic could not recreate: the feeling of not knowing, the blind hope that your class will be OP with the next round of balance changes, the feeling of heading into a new raid that doesn’t have strategies etched into your brain from two decades ago. In short the feeling of discovery.
Blizzard has hit that nail squarely on the head.
Enjoying this new freedom of not knowing what is coming is not remotely close to the same thing as wanting all the changes that made the game…well… retail.
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This isn’t hard to understand. They’ve clearly communicated that they intend SoD (and presumably future Classic developments) to retain the Classic spirit while adding additional features and content.
That presumably means that any new feature added should retain the Classic spirit, and that ones that don’t are valid targets of criticism.
Edit: FWIW I feel like the Classic team is crushing it with SoD for the most part. The new features have been really fun, and I haven’t really felt like anything has clearly ventured outside of Classic game design.
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We just wanted our classes and specs tinkered with, and some dungeons turned into raids for funzies.
Didn’t want the fundamental process of leveling a character changed. Didn’t want huge system overhauls. Didn’t want the game to feel massively different.
Just a few small tweaks for the hell of it. Big is bad, small is good.
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People like you telling others what to play tbh. 
They could add a “retail SoD”, but then all the era whiners will complain about how empty the “classic SoD” world is now.
Maybe Blizz should send out random surveys to the SoD crowd and get a true feel for what people really want as far as changes. The #nochanges crowd would scream bloody murder though because then they would see just how outnumbered they truly are.
theres literally no one playing SoD that wants nochanges as morons keep shouting. these sensitive children take any pushback from unthoughtout changes as oppressing their fun. its just testament to how loony the world has gotten.
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If only they had a forum where their community interacts with them. 